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myrtleWilson · 2022-11-30T12:42:48+00:00

Awful story just broken on twitter about horrendous racist questioning from Lady Hussey to Ngozi Fulani from Sister Space at yesterdays VAWG event. Lady Hussey has resigned. [Edited by MNHQ to correct typo at OP's request]

pocketvenuss · 30/11/2022 16:51

@fallfallfall I didn't realise there was an age and stage of life where overt racism was acceptable. The monarchy of all institutions should not be employing or including racist helpers at their events. By all means, be an old bigoted racist but don't expect to be excused for it

RaRaRaspoutine · 30/11/2022 16:52

ocadodeliveroo · 30/11/2022 16:51

Not gonna lie, anyone defending this is as racist as they come.

If you can't see the racism in that conversation then there is really no more hope for you, you'll die a racist.

Crazy isn't it, people on here are falling over backwards like "I'm sure she didn't mean it! She's just a nice old granny! The other woman should have told her her life history and licked her shoes too!!"

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 30/11/2022 16:52

amyneedssleep · 30/11/2022 13:20

Oh, but according to posters on here as well as the future king himself, there's no way the royal family has a problem with institutional racism.

People can only be this wilfully blind if they're deliberately closing their eyes to it. This family has a well-documented history longer than my arm - in pixels, video footage, recordings - as to how racist numerous of its members really are. It should hardly come as a shock. They've shown clearly who they are; that people are refusing to believe them can't possibly be because they don't see it. You can only therefore conclude that either they think it's okay, or that the anointed ones are above all criticism when they choose to treat others they see as 'lesser' than them like shit.

If this is the kind of attitude Meghan Markle encountered in that household, no wonder she scarpered. Who wouldn't?

As for moving Ngozi's hair out of the way, then proceeding to interview her aggressively and treat her like goods on approval (she'd have been sent back without a doubt) words fail me. This would be a superior, rude, supercilious and frankly abhorrent attitude had this woman not been black. As it is, it was ugly, unvarnished racism.

And this woman was the late queen's closest confidante for about five decades, probably more. That says much. Isn't it funny how, after all that time, she suddenly goes and puts her foot in it now?

GreensForMe · 30/11/2022 16:53

SH: Oh I can see I am going to have a challenge getting you to say where you’re from. When did you first come here?

So, so embarrassing 😱I know the type.

ClaudineClare · 30/11/2022 16:53

Crikeyalmighty · 30/11/2022 16:47

I remember Lenny Henry talking about this and friends thinking they would go round and get chicken, rice and peas and it was more likely to be fish fingers and chips -and when asked where he was from seemed suprised when he said Wolverhampton. It really doesn't wash that they are 83 and from a slightly different era, at that level of post you should know what is good social manners and what comes over as racism /belittling- regardless of age.

Exactly. And the fact that she works (or did) for the Palace and thinks saying all the things she did is fine and dandy speaks volumes about the attitudes of the Royal Family and the Palace.. No wonder Meghan and Harry wanted out.

MsBucket · 30/11/2022 16:53

Canthave2manycats · 30/11/2022 15:31

Exactly! All she had to say was, "British born and bred and my heritage is..." - job done without all the trauma! Isn't she proud of where her family came from?

I think people need to remember as well - this is an elderly lady, 83, brought up in a very different culture. Doesn't make her racist?? When you've lived most of your life in an era where your every word wasn't dissected for perceived slights, these PC times must be a challenge. I feel sorry for Lady Susan - I mean, headline news, elderly lady opens her mouth and puts her foot right in it. She must be traumatised too, by the attention this has brought to her and the embarrassment to the RF, as the hysterical go, "oh this just proves they are racist, doesn't it?"

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Yes, poor Lady Hussey, wife of a former BBC chairman, she must be “traumatised” by this experience. @Canthave2manycats Any sympathies for Ngozi Fulani? It clearly states in BBC article that Ms Fulani was at the reception at Buckingham Palace and she was there to represent the charity Sistah Space, which supports women of African and Caribbean heritage across the UK who have faced domestic and sexual abuse. I’d be more worried that Ms Fulani would traumatised by her experience at Buckingham Palace by someone clearly dear to the late Queen and the royal family so much so that this person is one of William’s godmothers. It’s more than an old lady “putting her mouth in it” and it suddenly becomes headline news. I was hoping it would be eye-opening to the micro-aggressions that POC face with the constant interrogations about where they are really from. But I guess I was mistaken.

Aquablue21 · 30/11/2022 16:53

Lady Susan was extremely rude. Her questions were completely inappropriate.

But Ngozi has made this event all about her. The event was about gender-based violence. Women and girls are being raped and murdered in the uk and worldwide, in domestic and conflict situations. This was the important thing to focus on. There are stupid people everywhere, everyday. Call them out, but don’t dominate the headlines and detract from the key message of the event.

For the record, I’m an immigrant to the UK too, but my daughter is also African heritage, Caribbean descent and British born.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 30/11/2022 16:54

pocketvenuss · 30/11/2022 16:51

@fallfallfall I didn't realise there was an age and stage of life where overt racism was acceptable. The monarchy of all institutions should not be employing or including racist helpers at their events. By all means, be an old bigoted racist but don't expect to be excused for it

Worked for Philip.

nookierookie · 30/11/2022 16:54

Wow! Appalling - both the remarks and the judgement to allow someone with so little real life experience attend these kinds of events.

The Royals have a long way to go to demonstrate that they have a place in today's world.

Rainingnow · 30/11/2022 16:55

Diverseopinions · 30/11/2022 16:13

I thought that, in the first place, it was inappropriate having a team of all white ladies in waiting ( companions). They should have been paid civil servants, diverse and bound by rules and protocols defining how they behave. It doesn't sound very auspicious for King Charles' tenure if they are going to advertise, essentially, that they like their own kind. They lost an opportunity to demonstrate how they wanted the monarchy to reflect the roles and lives of ordinary people.

And this poor lady spoken to and handled in such a manner - insulted - when there are vital issues and topics to be speaking about and learning about and that she knows about, and is in a position to educate people about. Albeit, this was a introductory converse, the aide ought to have been tuned in and all ears to hear what the lady had to say, not to be questioning her on a detail which only mattered to her the questioner, and which I doubt would have mattered to her boss the Queen Consort, Camilla . That's bad enough but the style was just so derogatory.

This suggests that the aide giving offence had no training whatsoever.

Obviously, Charles is keen to be showing that he wants the monarchy to advocate for all people. I deduce that from many of his actions and the care taken with detail.

This aide was such a bad choice, it seems

Now that is ridiculous. Companions sums up their role better than "ladies in waiting". You don't employ civil servants to be friends to the queen consort.
I do agree though that they should have guidelines to abide by, and some training. This definitely wasn't acceptable behaviour by any standards.

maddiemookins16mum · 30/11/2022 16:55

The irony being that the late DoE ‘got away’ with this for decades.
Out of touch doesn’t even begin to describe some of them.

Croque · 30/11/2022 16:56

If this is the kind of attitude Meghan Markle encountered in that household, no wonder she scarpered. Who wouldn't?

The problem most people have with MM is that she scarpered after bagging the mansion and the couture wardrobe. Most people would have left it all behind as RF/Spencer wealth originates from the same source.

Lentilweaver · 30/11/2022 16:56

Aquablue21 · 30/11/2022 16:53

Lady Susan was extremely rude. Her questions were completely inappropriate.

But Ngozi has made this event all about her. The event was about gender-based violence. Women and girls are being raped and murdered in the uk and worldwide, in domestic and conflict situations. This was the important thing to focus on. There are stupid people everywhere, everyday. Call them out, but don’t dominate the headlines and detract from the key message of the event.

For the record, I’m an immigrant to the UK too, but my daughter is also African heritage, Caribbean descent and British born.

I think Ngozi is probably fed up. and tired of turning the other cheek. The transcript seems to indicate that Ngozi kept trying to turn the conversation back to Sistah Space ( which is really all she should be asked about), but Lady Susan kept probing for the answer she wanted, oblivious to her discomfort.

OKild09 · 30/11/2022 16:57

maddiemookins16mum · 30/11/2022 16:55

The irony being that the late DoE ‘got away’ with this for decades.
Out of touch doesn’t even begin to describe some of them.

mmmmm!!

RaRaRaspoutine · 30/11/2022 16:57

Peasepuddingbloodycold · 30/11/2022 16:31

For me, the most surprising aspects of this is how quickly the palace have responded!

Think it's because Willy and Katie are in the US and the palace was trying to not let this "Overshadow" their arrival. Too late. Racists have no time schedule, they'll be racist whenever.

RishisProudMum · 30/11/2022 16:57

Canthave2manycats · 30/11/2022 16:45

So do I - so are you denying that there are elderly people out there who as they have aged, have completely lost their filter?

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Why is that POC’s problem, though? Are we meant to tolerate casual racism because Great Aunty Maude has ‘completely lost her filter’?

I think not.

Squeezita · 30/11/2022 16:57

Aquablue21 · 30/11/2022 16:53

Lady Susan was extremely rude. Her questions were completely inappropriate.

But Ngozi has made this event all about her. The event was about gender-based violence. Women and girls are being raped and murdered in the uk and worldwide, in domestic and conflict situations. This was the important thing to focus on. There are stupid people everywhere, everyday. Call them out, but don’t dominate the headlines and detract from the key message of the event.

For the record, I’m an immigrant to the UK too, but my daughter is also African heritage, Caribbean descent and British born.

So you're white.

And you object to Ms Fulani tweeting about something that happened to her because it makes it about her. Some fucked up logic right there. Is she supposed to keep her mouth shut to avoid 'dominating headlines'?

Hobbi · 30/11/2022 16:58

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 30/11/2022 13:36

Any independent confirmation?

Yes, the United Nations has launched an inquiry and lie detectors will be utilised on all those involved. Would that be enough for you? 🙄

C8H10N4O2 · 30/11/2022 16:59

Aquablue21 · 30/11/2022 16:53

Lady Susan was extremely rude. Her questions were completely inappropriate.

But Ngozi has made this event all about her. The event was about gender-based violence. Women and girls are being raped and murdered in the uk and worldwide, in domestic and conflict situations. This was the important thing to focus on. There are stupid people everywhere, everyday. Call them out, but don’t dominate the headlines and detract from the key message of the event.

For the record, I’m an immigrant to the UK too, but my daughter is also African heritage, Caribbean descent and British born.

No it was Hussey who caused the coverage to highlight racism by being a racist whilst there in an official capacity.

It was Hussey who caused this, not Ngozi, the target of her racism.

ClaudineClare · 30/11/2022 16:59

I feel sorry for Lady Susan - I mean, headline news, elderly lady opens her mouth and puts her foot right in it

Put her foot in it? Is that a euphemism for was racist? Do you really think she would have interrogated a white British person in that way and fiddled with their hair?

RishisProudMum · 30/11/2022 17:00

C8H10N4O2 · 30/11/2022 16:50

Oh sorry I wasn't meaning to address it to you as a question, just rhetorical and intending to add to the comment.

Whenever this happens unless there are a fuck ton of witnesses (preferably white) there will always be someone to accuse the target of "playing the race card", being over sensitive, it probably wasn't meant that way. If you call it out then you are also uppity or aggressive. Anything rather than acknowledge that a racist is a racist.

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Ah, fair enough. And yes to all of that.

RaRaRaspoutine · 30/11/2022 17:00

Hobbi · 30/11/2022 16:58

Yes, the United Nations has launched an inquiry and lie detectors will be utilised on all those involved. Would that be enough for you? 🙄

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We'll have to put Ms Fulani through a lie detector test to appease some of these "devil's advocate" people.. I bet the people who believed Kate when she said Meghan made her cry and the people who need black folk to present a dissertation for literally everything they say is one big overlapping circle.

queenofthewild · 30/11/2022 17:00

Wow! That was an uncomfortable read. "Lady" H really showed no manners at all. She started with a clumsy line of questioning and then just kept on digging.

Considering this was an event all about charities and organisations that support women and girls it would have been so easy to ask about the charity, the work they do, the people they support. What unnecessary questioning. It shows disrespect to both the person and the cause.

Rainingnow · 30/11/2022 17:00

Aquablue21 · 30/11/2022 16:53

Lady Susan was extremely rude. Her questions were completely inappropriate.

But Ngozi has made this event all about her. The event was about gender-based violence. Women and girls are being raped and murdered in the uk and worldwide, in domestic and conflict situations. This was the important thing to focus on. There are stupid people everywhere, everyday. Call them out, but don’t dominate the headlines and detract from the key message of the event.

For the record, I’m an immigrant to the UK too, but my daughter is also African heritage, Caribbean descent and British born.

I was trying to find the words to say this, you've summed my feelings up perfectly. There were better ways to handle the incident.

helpfulperson · 30/11/2022 17:01

it not even the racial aspect, although that is bad. but the first rule of making small talk is that if the person you are chatting to shows any reluctance to answer then you move onto another topic. and i would i would have expected those in this role to be adept at that.