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myrtleWilson · 30/11/2022 12:42

Awful story just broken on twitter about horrendous racist questioning from Lady Hussey to Ngozi Fulani from Sister Space at yesterdays VAWG event.

Lady Hussey has resigned.

[Edited by MNHQ to correct typo at OP's request]

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C8H10N4O2 · 30/11/2022 16:38

RishisProudMum · 30/11/2022 14:42

We have:

  • Ngozi Fulani’s account
  • Mandu Reid’s account
  • Corroboration and an apology from Buckingham Palace
  • Lady Susan’s resignation

Pray tell, what additional ‘side’ is it that you require for ‘balance’?

There were several other women who were there as eye witnesses.

Remind me how many witness are needed before a black woman's experience of racism at the hands of a wealthy white woman will be believed? Is the going rate more or less than a couple of dozen these days?

Lentilweaver · 30/11/2022 16:39

Ooh the snowflake stage is here! Along with colourings! Goody.

Justasec321 · 30/11/2022 16:40

SoupDragon · 30/11/2022 16:33

And yet it was offensive.

Utterly

RishisProudMum · 30/11/2022 16:41

fallfallfall · 30/11/2022 16:37

@RishisProudMum NF comes across as a perpetually insulted snowflake.
there is nothing wrong with the interaction given the age and stage of the person involved.

NF comes across as a a perpetually insulted snowflake.

Please explain how this lifelong champion of women’s rights who works protecting women and girls from violence and abuse comes across as ‘a perpetually insulted snowflake’.

there is nothing wrong with the interaction given the age and stage of the person involved.

Please explain what you mean by ‘stage’ and why you feel this entitles anyone to interrogate someone about their heritage.

pompomdaisy · 30/11/2022 16:41

I'm all for a cull of these racist dinosaurs from another age. What the hell can an 87 year old wife of an ex BBC chairman really contribute to the so called work that the Royal Family tell us they do? It's quite obvious she's been sheltered and looked after and given some role to socialise at parties but no one has really checked her values align to the image they wish to portray!

Whiskyvodka · 30/11/2022 16:41

Everytime we think the Royals have finally dragged themselves into the 21st century they come over all colonial.
And it’s not old people. My df is 92 and was anti racism in the 1950’s and refused to join the residents association because of their no blacks policy.

Loudhousefun · 30/11/2022 16:41

Poor Meghan, must bring back awful memories for her, being stuck amongst a racist family. Unfortunately “recollections may vary” won’t cut it this time as the conversation was witnessed. It’s about time this institutionally racist establishment is abolished, first Andrew then the racists what next?

RishisProudMum · 30/11/2022 16:42

C8H10N4O2 · 30/11/2022 16:38

There were several other women who were there as eye witnesses.

Remind me how many witness are needed before a black woman's experience of racism at the hands of a wealthy white woman will be believed? Is the going rate more or less than a couple of dozen these days?

Why are you asking me this? Did you respond to the wrong person?

queenofarles · 30/11/2022 16:42

Why didn't she just say 'I'm British but my parents came here in the 50s' and state the country in the first place . What is racist about asking about people's heritage?
why say all of that? it’s up to her as to wether state where her parents come from or not she got her answer , but it seems the answer SH was after Ohhhh my parents came from the former colonies ? 😵‍💫
its not racist to say where are you from
, but to keep on saying over and and over "but where are you really from , or what part of Africa are you from" is very demeaning

RishisProudMum · 30/11/2022 16:43

Lentilweaver · 30/11/2022 16:39

Ooh the snowflake stage is here! Along with colourings! Goody.

‘Colourings’ made me laugh, ngl. 😂

Squeezita · 30/11/2022 16:43

Canthave2manycats · 30/11/2022 16:34

You are a total idiot.

I gave the example of my aunt, because as I said, I could imagine her making such a remark but not meaning anything by it.

How racist you are, assuming that I am white???

’I didn’t mean anything by it’ is not valid mitigation for racism.

Instead of expecting black people to be understanding for white people’s unintended racism, just stop being racist.

It’s not fucking hard.

SmartWatch · 30/11/2022 16:43

why should she? I am white and my parents came here in the fifties from Ireland but no one asks me that.

ClaudineClare · 30/11/2022 16:43

What she said was wrong, but it's a reflection her own experiences of living in a majority white environment. Ngoni Fulani knew what Lady Hussey meant and was deliberately answering in an ambiguous and passively aggressive way

Rubbish. Ngozi answered her question right from the start - that she was from Sistah Space and that she was from the UK. But Hussey kept on probing in the most offensive way.

twitter.com/Sistah_Space/status/1597854380115767296

Lady SH: Where are you from?
Me: Sistah Space.
SH: No, where do you come from?
Me: We’re based in Hackney.
SH: No, what part of Africa are YOU from?
Me: I don’t know, they didn’t leave any records.
SH: Well, you must know where you’re from, I spent time in France. Where are you from?
Me: Here, UK
SH: NO, but what Nationality are you?
Me: I am born here and am British.
SH: No, but where do you really come from, where do your people come from?
Me: ‘My people’, lady, what is this?
SH: Oh I can see I am going to have a challenge getting you to say where you’re from. When did you first come here?
Me: Lady! I am a British national, my parents came here in the 50s when …
SH: Oh, I knew we’d get there in the end, you’re Caribbean!
Me: No Lady, I am of African heritage, Caribbean descent and British nationality.

Canthave2manycats · 30/11/2022 16:45

FlorettaB · 30/11/2022 16:36

Can we stop being so ageist. I have aunties that age who would never be:

  1. so racist
  2. so rude
  3. so arrogant.

So do I - so are you denying that there are elderly people out there who as they have aged, have completely lost their filter?

GreensForMe · 30/11/2022 16:46

FlorettaB · 30/11/2022 16:36

Can we stop being so ageist. I have aunties that age who would never be:

  1. so racist
  2. so rude
  3. so arrogant.

Same. The only excuse for Susan (if that's her name?) is if she has memory issues, being rude and doing socially unacceptable things are often signs of neurological decline.

There is no excuse whatsoever for the palace to have invited Susan to this event if they had any idea that she cannot conduct herself politely and in a welcoming manner.

I am cringing and embarrassed for Camilla and her entourage. The whole event was ill thought out. Camilla looked ill at ease on the photos.

Maybe it's time to do away with the whole institution. It is all routed in colonialism and while Queen Elizabeth managed to keep it all together until she died, it would have been much better if the monarchy had been modernised 20-30 years ago. We are now firmly stuck in the past.

LakieLady · 30/11/2022 16:46

LookingAtYou · 30/11/2022 14:44

Why didn't she just say 'I'm British but my parents came here in the 50s' and state the country in the first place . What is racist about asking about people's heritage?

If she was told she was British and her family's heritage was irrelevant that would have been racist surely.

Because that's not what she was asked. She was asked where she was from.

If someone asks me where I'm from, I tell them the county I live in, I don't explain that I'm of Irish and Welsh heritage.

If they asked me where my family came from, that would be a different matter.

Hadjab · 30/11/2022 16:46

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Crikeyalmighty · 30/11/2022 16:47

I remember Lenny Henry talking about this and friends thinking they would go round and get chicken, rice and peas and it was more likely to be fish fingers and chips -and when asked where he was from seemed suprised when he said Wolverhampton. It really doesn't wash that they are 83 and from a slightly different era, at that level of post you should know what is good social manners and what comes over as racism /belittling- regardless of age.

Softplayhooray · 30/11/2022 16:48

Anyone defending Hussey hasn't experienced racism directly, so they don't see it, therefore to them, it doesn't exist.

Very recently, we saw Kate Middleton shaking hands with little black Jamaican kids through a chain link fence. AND that photo was released by the palace PR who saw nothing wrong with it. Of course they wouldn't. It's a white, privileged experience looking at those photos and being the person in those photos, and not seeing what is so obviously there - racism and ugliness - to the point that this photo would be proudly made public.

Hussey is part of that system and she clearly felt in a safe space to express herself that way. Racism and ignorance is clearly institutionalised in the RF.

Squeezita · 30/11/2022 16:49

Canthave2manycats · 30/11/2022 16:45

So do I - so are you denying that there are elderly people out there who as they have aged, have completely lost their filter?

Funny how elderly black and Asian people are not allowed to 'lose their filter'.

If they came out with this racist shit, there would be an uproar.

SoupDragon · 30/11/2022 16:49

Canthave2manycats · 30/11/2022 16:45

So do I - so are you denying that there are elderly people out there who as they have aged, have completely lost their filter?

Are you denying that being rude/offensive/racist is a problem unrelated to age?

C8H10N4O2 · 30/11/2022 16:50

RishisProudMum · 30/11/2022 16:42

Why are you asking me this? Did you respond to the wrong person?

Oh sorry I wasn't meaning to address it to you as a question, just rhetorical and intending to add to the comment.

Whenever this happens unless there are a fuck ton of witnesses (preferably white) there will always be someone to accuse the target of "playing the race card", being over sensitive, it probably wasn't meant that way. If you call it out then you are also uppity or aggressive. Anything rather than acknowledge that a racist is a racist.

CustardySergeant · 30/11/2022 16:50

Lady Susan Hussey's age is no excuse whatsoever. My mother died 3 years ago at the age of 99 and (much as I loathed her) I do know for certain that she would have been absolutely disgusted by the behaviour of Lady Susan. It was clearly racism and therefore abhorrent. The Prince and Princess of Wales must be furious that this happened and is all over the news just as they get to the U.S.

RaRaRaspoutine · 30/11/2022 16:50

Canthave2manycats · 30/11/2022 16:17

I'm seated already but thanks for the 'permission'.

I'm not excusing anything; I'm merely suggesting that there may be some mitigation. Clearly, this wasn't an acceptable thing to say, and Lady Susan has fallen on her sword, which is right and proper. Touching her hair though strikes me as the worst part of this episode.

I have an aunt who's a couple of years older than Lady Susan, and omg the things she comes out with would make your hair stand on end - nothing racial, I hasten to add! The last time I visited her, she told me I look better with my glasses on than off, and asked if I had ever considered wearing a foundation garment... She's the kindest soul though! She makes me laugh! She has always been brutally direct but age has magnified it. I could well imagine her making comments like that, and she wouldn't mean the slightest thing by it. She just opens her mouth and whatever's in her head comes right out.

I'm sorry but I can't deem the entire RF to be racist on the basis of ill-judged remarks made by an elderly woman, who isn't a member of the family anyway. I don't know if Lady S is racist or not. No doubt it will all come out in the wash now if she is, because she will have been in these situations many times over the years, and I'm sure if anyone else was the subject of such an interrogation, they will now come forward.

My nan is 86 and would never say things like this. So your anecdata is pointless. Not all elderly ladies are cluelessly, cheerfully, harmlessly racist because life isn't a sitcom. Stop trying to defend a person who KEPT ASKING where a woman was from AFTER SHE HAD BEEN TOLD. And you seem to need SH to have done this before AND those people (who will be minorities) to be brave enough to speak about it, in order to believe this black woman?? Your racism is screaming through these posts.

ocadodeliveroo · 30/11/2022 16:51

Not gonna lie, anyone defending this is as racist as they come.

If you can't see the racism in that conversation then there is really no more hope for you, you'll die a racist.

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