Harry, Meghan and Netflix are go

[CathyorClaire]

The long awaited documentray is hitting the screen on December 8th:

www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/breaking-prince-harry-meghan-markles-28607547

What with the award in a few days and the book in January they're ramping up the game.

So many were convinced that when the queen died there would be some sort of uprising, and were genuinely shocked when it just kept rumbling on

It's very early days, a couple of months, I can see big changes and problems ahead. Charles doesn't have the popularity of the Queen which makes the RF more open to scrutiny

I do agree that alot of people were shocked that there wasn’t the appetite to get rid of the RF on a National scale. I do think many expected that to be the time it brought the matter to the forefront.

In RL, not on MN, I was really surprised how much younger people cared about The Queens death and seemed to warm to KC. I am talking about people under 30. We have offices all over England, wales and Scotland and I travel between them quite a bit and most people seemed to be sad she had died and were pleasant about KC.

Even my daughter and her friends who are all year 1 and 2 Uni students, who didn’t care either way, all seemed to be positive towards the RF, in general.

I am not fussed about the RF either way. If I had to vote to keep or get rid of them I would need to do a lot of research to decide. But I was surprised by the support for them. And how many are looking forward to the coronation.

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Dear Harry.
Please shine a light on this institution and the corrupt press because I want to know - we all deserve to know. If folk fall out with you so be it - you're telling your truth. Tell it like you have no fear of the consequences.

He could try telling THE truth. But as he is so thick that he doesn't seem to know the difference between Empire & Commonwealth (even tho' he and M were going to represent the Commonwealth) I doubt he has anything useful to say.

And so many dodgy things have been said that now that the immediate reaction of most people is "well, that's probably not (entirely) true".

I think you are probably right Rousette. In Australia, the republicans have kept a low profile through the Queens death etc. A smart move. I think we are going to see the argument for an Australian Republic reignited next year.

A lot of people still like having a royal family, and h and m fans should probably think how it will look , if the monarchy is demolished after all this " truth " telling.
Who do you think will be blamed? , even if it wasn't due to this , the optics would be awful !

I'd argue the optics of the RF alone are bad, add in Andrew & Charles's with his bag of Qatari cash the optics are very bad...

I'd argue the optics of the RF alone are bad

But, there are still more people that want the RF than not, suggesting that the optics of other systems are equally, if not more, unappealing.

My point is they will be blamed, weather right or wrong and this would paint an enormous target on them!
Surely fans would not want this?

Are there really though particularly amongst the younger generations?

I agree they would be blamed regardless so why shouldn't they've make money

They made this documentary because they became a minority voice in their own story. The tabloids, so-called royal experts, and courtiers were seen as authority on how you perceived them. It is also an historical documentation that no one can erase.

That's a good point, it will be interesting what history looks back on & sees

Nothing will happen. If there is ever a movement to not have a RF, I read somewhere it would take 10-15 years to sort it all out so I don't think H&M would be blamed for that!

Nothing will be happening in my life time, that's for sure. In my children's? Doubtul. Grandchildren... may be

This is worth a read. Lots makes sense. To me anyway

I don't think history will improve the optics for them...

They are not perfect obviously & have done plenty things wrong. However the criticism of them is disproportionate & much is rooted in sexism, racism & classism which won't age well. You can disagree of course.

Difficult to tell, but I wouldn't look to polls for evidence because of the inherent difficulty of the disconnect between what people say they would do, when dealing with hypotheticals, and what they actually do when forced into having to act, cf., the two seismic events in recent history that highlighted this - Brexit and Trump. I would need other evidence of movement in republicanism but this seems to be permanently stuck on a fairly static number.

However the criticism of them is disproportionate & much is rooted in sexism, racism & classism which won't age well

Yes I think so.

The "fued" has certainly boosted the interest in the RF though, look at the amount of comments & what they say on articles about the feud as opposed to Williams Earthshot stuff or Kates childcare stuff. People are far more interested in the gossip. Look at the ratings too.

feud!

@MaulPerton
Nice try to linking anti monarchists with Brexit and trump - both are negatives most peoples opinion.
Getting rid of an anachronistic parasistic system is a postive for a democracy
You can keep your silly king just get him away from public money and seat of democracy .

I was just reading about the attempts by a former 'royal' German prince to get his hands on money and property that he claims is his
The German paper excoriated him
'He doesn't deserve as much as a coffee cup !'

Nice try to linking anti monarchists with Brexit and trump - both are negatives most peoples opinion

I didn't link anti-monarchists to Brexit and Trump. I pointed out that if you want to gauge sentiment, asking people how they will vote sometime in the future, and then assessing how they do actually vote, are two different things. Brexit and Trump votes illustrated this point.

So many were convinced that when the queen died there would be some sort of uprising, and were genuinely shocked when it just kept rumbling on

I think it's difficult to gauge how things may turn out long term but we're only three months on from her death and it's becoming quite apparent she was the one holding the whole thing together.

It's quite surprising how quickly the family wheels appear to be falling off now she's gone. We've got rumours that Charles isn't giving Edward the DofE gong, H&M making mischief, the Andrew problem which has only been kicked down the road, Anne and Edward hunting (😡) publicly with said problem and that's all before the end of the year she died.

Interesting times.

Anne and Edward hunting
Hunting what?

I don't think there's much risk of that. The monarchy seems to be a pretty stable feature of British life, whatever the popularity of or scandals surrounding particular individuals are. They just wait it out.
You have even less to be worried about if you think most of what Meghan and Harry is likely to be unsubstantiated (I assume that's what you mean by "truth" in inverted commas?)

Yes, correct. This is exactly what C and W are doing - waiting it out. The only damage being done is to H & M themselves, through self-sabotage.