Harry and Meghan - lies?

[FurAndFeathers]

Ok I’m keeping my fingers crossed this thread will not descend into an unsubstantiated bun fight! Please bear with me.

I’m definitely no Royalist, and am pretty ambivalent about H and M but from the little I’ve read they seem to have been treated pretty badly. However I keep seeing on other threads here that their claims have all be proven to be lies, which would make me much less sympathetic to them. But I can’t find any verification for this.

So I’m asking more knowledgeable posters - what lies specifically have H&M told and where’s the evidence to the contrary please?

thank you

Hasn't Harry Styles been criticised for his clothing? Even worse, in the press, comment has been made or referenced that his clothes choice is somehow related to his sexuality and he ought to, all of a sudden, make it clear, to we the general public - and complete strangers - where he stands on sex and how he is likely to be defining himself in the future?

The bent is that he is somehow at fault for sending out some sort of mixed messages?

I know that Billy Elish has come in for that sort of sex/image type of commentary as well, so not just attractive guys, but it does seem that quite a few stars must read comments and feedback which really seek to to diminish their authenticity and creative integrity. Plus Harry Styles gets criticism of his love life.

Taylor Swift got a lot of criticism and negative feedback and she balled it all together and made it into a chart topping song and great piece of art. She let her talent speak as I guess Harry Styles will do.

I LOVE the desperation to contradict anything I say on this thread! It’s hilarious 😆

I appreciate the absolute lack of awareness - no one said men are never criticised for their clothing choices - only that women are more heavily scrutinised - it’s well documented

www.vox.com/platform/amp/2014/11/17/7233597/workplace-appearance-sexism

so you may as well stop wasting your time. Unless you have a statistical analysis that shows men and women’s clothing choices are equally criticised in the media then posting random articles that show individual men are occasional criticised doesn’t actually demonstrate anything? No one is disputing that

You ask for evidence , are given evidence and then keep changing the goalposts and saying ‘that’s not what I meant’

Unfortunately there seems to be a rise in male scrutiny as the numbers of men suffering from anorexia in on the rise.

www.eatingdisorderhope.com/risk-groups/men

should have read ‘is on the rise’

where did I ask for evidence re:male/female clothing criticisms exactly? Please link the post.

you’re just making things up now.

I simply made a comment that I find the media’s focus on female attire depressing in response to an article that was posted by someone else, and you leapt on it in your desperation to ‘prove me wrong’

and now you’re putting words in my mouth to justify your desperation to ‘prove me wrong’

honestly it’s a bit weird

i’m not trying to prove you wrong, but the fact that you name call all the posters who are perfectly polite and just trying to answer your questions doesn’t really reflect very well on you.

Where have I called you names? Is that the same post where I asked for evidence of sexism towards men in their sartorial choices?

are you using this thread as a creative writing exercise?

you do realise that just because you write something down, it doesn’t become true don’t you?

It is ridiculous to say that men are criticised on what they wear as much as women!

If that were the case there'd be just as many fashion magazines for men as there are for women. And there aren't.

Everywhere you look, literally everywhere, it's some comment or other on what a woman is wearing, sometimes positive. That is not the case for men. (That is not saying their clothes aren't criticised at all. They are. But nowhere near the level of women)

This is interesting. A male anchor on TV wore the same suit every single day for a year. No criticism. His female counterpart changed her outfits daily and was constantly criticised for her style.

@FurAndFeathers

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Yes I linked that example earlier - it’s fascinating/depressing isn’t it?

honestly I think some posters on MN will argue that the sky is green just to be contrary!

OP google is your friend on this one

I agree focus is nowhere near the same for men as it is for women.

When the royal weddings came about, all the talk was what were Kate and Meghans dresses going to be like, who would be the designer etc.

I don’t think I heard once mention of what the men were wearing

I agree that the focus is on women, I was making the point that the focus seems to be getting better not worse and now many younger men are starting to feel the pressure that young women feel (I’m the mum of young children - so it is a concern for dd but I can’t forget my ds’s too.

My BIL worked in MH (now retired but still doing some consulting) so it was something we were discussing in relation to young adults both girls and boys.

i’m not trying to argue with you, just trying to add different perspectives, which I thought could add to the discussion, but it seems only basic binary viewpoints are allowed on these threads

When William changed it up a bit and wore that velvet jacket and polo, it was all over the media. Other than that the males are is in the same suits and overcoats or dress suits. Harry wears the same khakis and t shirts over and over again, nothing to discuss there.,

For their weddings' we knew the grooms were going to wear (re-wear?) their military uniforms.

Lewis Hamilton gets mentioned all the time in the press for his clothes style, don't think he ever wears the same thing twice and is totally outlandish in some of his outfits.

Most celebrity females never wear the same thing twice, or if they do, they change it up with different accessories, so that garners more interest,

First time posting on one of these threads, but just need to get out of my system how intensely deeply annoying H&M are, and (as someone who was initially sympathetic to them) how really poorly they come across.

They both come across as a pair of self-obsessed gold-diggers - Harry's attitude to his family is simply cruel (how could he treat his elderly, ill, recently widowed grandmother like that?) and he seems to have picked this attitude up entirely from Megan - until he met her, he was clearly very close to William and Kate, and they did all their mental health charity work together. His new wife broke up his family life, as she'd broken up her own, in return for the hope of some glamour and riches in the US. Hope it was worth it for their sakes.

And it is precisely the string of really obvious lies they've published that have put me off them - that, and choosing to make a career out of telling these lies about the RF, who they know are not able to respond. It's cheap and despicable.

The lies are well-known - false claims about their son not being called by the title of Prince because of his ethnicity, about their security, about Megan having bullied others. etc etc etc. The clips in the Netflix documentary that were stolen from completely different settings relating to different people and that H&M pretended showed them being victims of paparazzi intrusion. Yes, she's been the victim of racism by the British media and that is unequivocally wrong. But that doesn't make her wrongdoing OK. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Such a shame - they could have used their incredibly privileged position to do good in the world, but instead all they've done is sowed division, and likely led to the Queen's earlier demise. Can't put into words quite how much I despise them.

I agree FlowersandButterflies when people in this country are choosing between eating or heating, they don't seem to realise, how lucky they are!

@Flowersandbutterflies exactly, what you say echoes my thoughts on the matter.

It's all beautifully acted and staged though... I mean she does look lovely at all times... and all those candid, intimate, life-defining moments caught on camera. Sigh. It's just perfect.

First they make Philips final days so much harder for the whole family with their antics, then they do the same with the Queen. Now they are doing their best to ruin the Coronation.

The bleating about service and kindness is nauseating.

Gosh!

that’s a lot of bile for someone you don’t know, will likely never meet and who has zero impact on your life!

FurAndFeathers how rude.

Not bile, truth. Many public figures make people angry. Boris Johnson, Trump, all sorts of people who are narcissists and liars. They put themselves out there , and make millions from doing so. If they annoy people with their self absorbed warblings, it’s not surprising.

Why was it rude?

Well as UK prime minister and USA president, Johnson and Trump had quite significant impacts on people’s lives…

I can understand the anger of people separated from their loved ones in hospital during lockdowns whilst Johnson held parties for example.

what comparable impact is it that Harry and Meghan have had in posters here?

'what comparable impact is it that Harry and Meghan have had in posters here?'

Their whinging has given an opportunity for entities who don't wish the UK well to stir up more bile and division (see also Brexit/Scottish independence).