Harry and Meghan - lies?

[FurAndFeathers]

Ok I’m keeping my fingers crossed this thread will not descend into an unsubstantiated bun fight! Please bear with me.

I’m definitely no Royalist, and am pretty ambivalent about H and M but from the little I’ve read they seem to have been treated pretty badly. However I keep seeing on other threads here that their claims have all be proven to be lies, which would make me much less sympathetic to them. But I can’t find any verification for this.

So I’m asking more knowledgeable posters - what lies specifically have H&M told and where’s the evidence to the contrary please?

thank you

💯Usually a lurker but I had to comment.

@Aspiringmatriarch Sorry I wont be shut down by your personal attacks or disgusting views, thank you.

OP you obviously feel very strongly about how Megan has been treated and the RF but not everyone does and it’s absolutely ok for people to have different views. The British media can be horrendous but so too can the American, it’s not exclusive to Britain.

I’m a bit in the middle here I was delighted when Megan married Harry and I can see the problems with some of what the RF say and do but I also can see the problems with some of what Harry and Megan say and do. It’s not a all for one though, there has been mistakes on both sides.

Ditto!

I think it's more ignorance than actual contempt of other races. Ignorance is not good, but it's not malicious. It needs educating. Bet a tenner, we never see any of those again?

what Makes you say I feel strongly about how Meghan has been treated? Please point to a post where I’ve defended her or Harry?

I’m mostly entirely disinterested in them (though find it fascinating/bizarre how much time some posters spend chronicling every detail of their lives)

I feel strongly about racism. That is different.

Right.

so racism only counts if it’s intentionally malicious?

And the most privileged family in the country, incorporating the head of the commonwealth (!) with access to the best education that money can buy and an army of PR experts and advisors just so happen to be more ignorant than a member of the general public?

sure, that sounds likely.

Or if it looks like racism and sounds like a racism then it’s racism

They didn’t move to the US to escape racism . They moved because they didn’t get the half in/ half out arrangement they wanted ..

Not sure why you’re quoting me?

I’ve never speculated on why they moved.
as adults they can do what they like 🤷‍♀️

it seems that denigrating Meghan and Harry for moving to the USA to escape racism in the British press…..

That’s why I quoted you .

Ignorance is a cause not a defence.

I didn’t say that. @FishBowlSwimmer claimed they moved because of racism in the British press, but that was ridiculous when the US press us more racist.

I challenged that by asking for evidence of racism towards them from the US press.
still waiting for it.

So you agree that they moved to the US because The Queen wouldn’t agree to their ridiculous half in/ half out proposal ?

😂 gosh there’s a lot of desperation to ‘win’ here

read my earlier post. No idea why they moved and don’t particularly care. They’re adults who have no bearing on my life. They can do what they like 🤷‍♀️

😂 gosh there’s a lot of desperation to ‘win’ here - that’s exactly what I’ve thought when reading your posts too.

What is I that am I trying to win exactly?

it’s fascinating that posters who clearly spend large chunks of time stalking and hating everything H&M do, find ambivalence about them so infuriating and difficult to deal with.

I literally know very little about them (it’s why I started this thread) and couldn’t care less where they live or why.

but it seems that challenging factual inaccuracies and talking about the very clear evidence of RF racism in general terms is very triggering to some posters. I can totally understand why black mumsnetters felt like they needed their own board. The racism-defenders on this thread are unsettling.

its similar when you talk about the sex-offender-protectionism in the Royal family. There seem to be a certain type of royalist who will literally excuse any type of behaviour - as long as it comes from the house of Windsor.

fascinating that people are so keen to defend rich privileged strangers who couldn’t care less about them 🤷‍♀️

I don’t spend a lot of time stalking or hating them. But you’ve started a post, spent a lot of time on it even though your not bothered. 🤷‍♀️
Attack anything negative posted about them even though you’ve asked for evidence then shoot it down immediately but then you are constantly negative about the RF and British media.
It sounds like a M & H fan trying to convince everyone else their not, so being neutral obviously if you say they are in the right they are and the RF and British Media are always in the wrong. Doesn’t work like that thankfully.

Amusingly predictable to watch op abandon all pretense after carefully starting the thread with that faux-innocent tone of disinterested inquiry.

I’ve just been lurking… but for what it’s worth…

I reckon we’re all pretty much unreliable narrators of our own experiences. Memories are always subject to to being re-shaped based on context and circumstances, emotions, hindsight and retrospect. It’s why those friends who’ll tell you straight-out to take a step back, or to view a situation from a variety of angles, or when you’ve been a bit of a knob are worth their weight in gold.

I don’t think M and H are lying outright but details are presented in varying ways which makes things seem inconsistent and I’m not sure anyone close, who they trust is challenging them. They also have a tendency to be very vague, they don't give clear facts or name, names and leave a lot to interpretation - maybe they do this on purpose or maybe they just aren’t particularly articulate or maybe they have been edited this way.

I’d think a very great deal of them if they now moved on, set out a positive plan of actual work, worked to become experts in their fields, made it clear they were no longer using their titles and stopped the public family drama rehash. Regardless of the challenges they have faced they have had a huge leg up because of the RF - they now need to rely on their own talents to move forward positively and to give them real longevity.

It’s interesting, you’re the second person to suggest I must be a fan (it seems everything must be binary to some folks)

i’ll ask again - please do point to a post where I’ve defended them or attacked anything negative about them specifically - I’ll wait. It should be easy enough for you if you’re right. the last poster I asked to do that didn’t come back with anything. I guess it’s an easy way for folks to dismiss me in their own minds - write me off as a ‘fan’

if you read my posts you’ll actually see that I absolutely accepted some of the evidenced criticisms earlier posters gave. I’m actually pretty happy to accept any perspective if there’s a reasonable basis for it.
but this thread contains a lot of spurious unpleasantness with no factual basis as well.

I have asked for evidence of the US press being more racist than the UK press. If by ‘shoot it down’ you mean that I’ve pointed out the obvious flaw that the evidence is not actually an attack by the USA media - why us that problematic? Are you seriously expecting me to say “oh thanks that not remotely what I asked for but I’ll just pretend it is?”

Abandon all pretends of what exactly?

is this another baseless accusation?

It’s my opinion, I’m entitled to it and I don’t have to point to one of your posts to defend it, just like your allowed an opinion. I don’t agree with you and I have my own mind, accept and move on.

Sure - you’re perfectly entitled to make any spurious, unfounded, personal allegation against me that you like 🤷‍♀️

whatever helps you sleep at night

😂😂😂 Over the top or what. I’ll leave this here.
Your over invested, your right at posters if their views aren’t yours and are definitely not the unbiased poster just wanting genuine info you are trying to portrait.

You might not be obsessed with Harry and Meghan, but you seem weirdly fixated on me, and telling me what I think.

it’s honestly making me a bit uncomfortable.
perhaps you should move on