Harry and Meghan - lies?

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Ok I’m keeping my fingers crossed this thread will not descend into an unsubstantiated bun fight! Please bear with me.

I’m definitely no Royalist, and am pretty ambivalent about H and M but from the little I’ve read they seem to have been treated pretty badly. However I keep seeing on other threads here that their claims have all be proven to be lies, which would make me much less sympathetic to them. But I can’t find any verification for this.

So I’m asking more knowledgeable posters - what lies specifically have H&M told and where’s the evidence to the contrary please?

thank you

"a few M & S pieces"? Darlings, I thought Marshall and Snelgrove had gone. 😀Ah, the hat boxes, the memories.

Everyone has a lived experience. On what basis do you prioritise X's lived experience over Y's?

This is the infinite regress of relativism, which can never be resolved other than through the fact that some groups plump for X while others plump for Y. Your job is to convince that X is more deserving of attention, funds, etc. than Y. That's all we ever try to do.

Anyway, back to H & M!

Best seller in the making, i'm expecting it do millions.

I think you should divert your discussions to H&M (for all the good it does) and their mansion (and potentially MM’s wardrobe) as you appear unable to argue successfully about anything of real importance. Your tactic is deflection, which is a method used when you lack the necessary knowledge to participate effectively in a reasoned discussion. Fortunately I value my time too much to humour myself further with more engagement.
I believe I’ve answered on what basis I have chosen to terminate this discussion (as I am expecting this to be related to the next question of deflection).

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As @Morestrangethings said "Those of us bought up in a colonised countries, (In my case one with with a British Monarch as head of state) , have more insight than you can recognise..."
Completely agree, but with all due respect, everyone is subjected to some form of discrimination, absolutely everyone, for some it's very impactful, for others less so. Fear of "the other" is universal human nature. We fail when we do not fight this part of our nature.
In M&H case's, her not so obvious 'difference' (we had to be told) was an asset to the RF, no doubts about that. I can't talk for ex brit colonies but the uk has come a long way, racism is not tolerated, people are judged on how they contribute, whoever they are. Why should M be exempt?
Without diminishing the atrocities perpetuated by colonialism, many historical wrongs were committed on uk territory too, not on the basis of race, but on the basis of class, to the benefit the few. We live with the remnant of this heritage, so who benefits from division by creed or colour? Not the people.

to the benefit the few. We live with the remnant of this heritage, so who benefits from division by creed or colour? Not the people

That's the sum of it all in a nutshell. Black, white, men, women, young, old, indigenous or not, here or elsewhere - all suffer under wealth (class, if you like) privilege. If people can get their heads around that, then that'll be the way forward (but, will never happen because dividing us across demographic characteristics as opposed to wealth is beneficial to the ruling classes). That's how the whole show rumbles on.

"that she was moving into a society where this was something quite extraordinary, and where her (natural) desire to demonstrate the impact of her newly enhanced budget on her wardrobe and lifestyle would not be celebrated, but criticised. It’s interesting that she didn’t seem to want to make any effort to learn and adapt to this"

Yet Kate wears expensive clothes every single time we see her. Less than a month ago she was wearing a £4K+ Chanel blazer, In NI she wore a £300 blouse. Not too long ago at the Hospital she had on a £300 dress, £560 heels, £300 purse, £795 earrings etc and that's a lot less expensive that what she normally wears. People are struggling to pay their bills and they show up in such expensive clothes when they attend events - or "work". She may wear once in a while a top from a less expensive brand, but her designer bags, shoes , jewels, skirt, trousers, dress etc are hugely expensive. Meghan does wear local brands and occasionally as Kate does - I seem to recall her wearing a t-shirt from a UK designer which sold out after that. I have also seen her with a beautiful green bag from a UK designer which I have since ordered. I feel there's always an agenda to undermine her and perceive anything she does negatively.
I am not sure why Meghan is the villain here, when all these people behave the same way, some even worse.

I thought this thread was about Meghan's lies. Why is Kate being brought into it by some posters as if that is relevant? I know conversation moves forward (or maybe backwards!), but there's a bit of shoehorning going on!

The thing is if Meghan wrote a completely unvarnished account of her life, I would buy it. Because she has led a very interesting life.

But it is on every thread ajandjjmum

It isn’t bad enough that both women are slagged off on their ‘own’ threads. Once arguments dry up a little, the shoehorns come out so they can all either encourage froth or froth some more themselves.

Then of course you have the people who have taken ‘sides’ and can’t let a nice thing be said about the rival family without posting some snide little comment.

Some subjects involve other members of the RF who are fair enough game to be spoken about but that should be on different threads.

Same old faces. Same old shite.

Some are even daft enough to contradict their own arguments across the threads. And ignore it when you point it out.

Some are deluded enough to accuse posters of supporting various wrongdoings because you won’t argue with them on a thread that is nothing to do with that topic.

Some are anti royal and why not? Everyone’s opinion is valid. But you would have to question why they come on a happy thread about a royal to comment negatively. Start another thread and you might get a decent debate. Otherwise? You just look like a nasty article to me.

If anyone wants to go arsehole spotting, the RF threads are a good place to start.

Some are there with differing but pleasant outlooks. Some folk are just there for the froth. And there are one or two on here that have that much froth coming out of them that they could float instead of walking.

And most know who they are.

They probably have a shoehorn, froth and a sneer on their family crest.

Every time 🙄. The difference is that Kate has put in the required hours for the perks over 15-20 years going all over the country, interacting with ordinary folk (not just celeb friends). She is not spending to promote her business interests and brand and impress her wealthy mates.

Cost £460 earrings £5

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Lol! I did think the earrings looked a bit cheap when I saw them earlier!

I feel I can see both sides to a certain extent with the clothes spending issue between Kate and Meghan.

Meghan was always going to spend a lot in her first two years because she was new to the constant royal engagements which are more frequent and need a different style than the PR appearances she made in her previous life. Kate had built up a big baseline wardrobe over the last twenty years so she can buy a new dress but then already has the shoes, hat, bag etc to go with it which brings the overall cost of the total outfit down. Meghan was starting from scratch and had to start buying everything she needed - and she'd probably never had to do the type of high profile - change three times in one engagements before. (sounds like a nightmare to me)

I just did a quick internet search and in general for royal engagements the pair of them are wearing very similar priced stuff - 1k-2k at the lower end, some 4-5K and sprinkled in the odd 10k dress / outfit. Their wedding dresses were roughly in the same area too 200-300K estimates.

Meghan stands out on two main occasions with eye-wateringly expensive dresses. Her engagement photo dress which was an estimated 75K! And a maternity evening gown she wore on a tour which was an estimated 90K!!!

Both dresses never to be seen again - so maybe she borrowed the engagement dress - pre-wedding she was probably still allowed to do that a la the Oscar system of borrowing outfits in return for the publicity.

The maternity gown does seem like a misstep. 90K for a very limited rewear potential is a LOT of money. Perhaps she's managed to sell it on eBay since then and recouped some of that! (I also don't think it really suits her but maybe she felt she had to wear it after spending all that money! I think the engagement dress is gorgeous on her)

I don't think we had long enough of Meghan's spending as a royal to say she was more extravagant than the regular royals. It's possible she would have curated and managed the budget like Kate does balancing out overtime with re-wears etc.

On the other hand, 90K Dior gowns might have become the norm. It doesn't matter now she can wear what she likes as she's paying for it herself.

One criticism I do have of Meghan is she didn't push the UK brands enough - when you boost the UK fashion industry as part of your duties it makes the spending have more of a purpose. I guess she just loves those French designers more!

Yet Kate wears expensive clothes every single time we see her.

Kate wears Zara regularly. No thinking the high street is beneath her with sayonara parties. 😉

Cheap they may be but at least they’re not of dubious origin

I don't think we had long enough of Meghan's spending as a royal to say she was more extravagant than the regular royals. It's possible she would have curated and managed the budget like Kate does balancing out overtime with re-wears etc

Actually some fashion fanatics have actually done this work - they did a comparison of every item worn by three “married-in” royals in their first full year of working (Meghan, Kate and Princess Sofia of Sweden). They catalogued every single item they were seen publicly wearing, and then priced them. I’ve attached their conclusions below, which show that Meghan’s wardrobe was worth the highest amount by a very large margin.

(This is caveated by the fact that of course they can only calculate what the item is worth, as they have no idea what money was actually spent. Also, it doesn’t include items that are impossible to accurately attribute a value to - like the ladies’ wedding dresses, and in Meghan’s case also notably the Dior haute couture maternity robe shown above, and estimated to cost around £90k, or Meghan’s engagement shoot dress either - both of which would have made her total even higher).

I meant the earrings were cheap . The coat isn’t cheap but it’s not out of this world expensive either

Yeah - that doesn't look good. BUT.... it might have balanced out over time.

I like to give the benefit of the doubt where possible.

Because Kate's not allowed to accept them.

I don’t think I have mentioned Meghan’s clothes - the coat may be expensive to the average person - I have no idea but as I said it’s not out of this world expensive - I’ve paid more for a special winter coat