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Harry and Meghan - lies?

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FurAndFeathers · 28/10/2022 19:51

Ok I’m keeping my fingers crossed this thread will not descend into an unsubstantiated bun fight! Please bear with me.

I’m definitely no Royalist, and am pretty ambivalent about H and M but from the little I’ve read they seem to have been treated pretty badly. However I keep seeing on other threads here that their claims have all be proven to be lies, which would make me much less sympathetic to them. But I can’t find any verification for this.

So I’m asking more knowledgeable posters - what lies specifically have H&M told and where’s the evidence to the contrary please?

thank you

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Morestrangethings · 02/11/2022 11:53

estimated £1 billion pounds generated

“It was later estimated that the wedding generated £1 billion for the British economy, including an additional £300 million brought in by foreign tourists for travel and accommodation and £50 million spent on merchandise and souvenirs.[48]”

Taken from the wiki page on the H&M wedding.

MaulPerton · 02/11/2022 11:55

The difference is that this group probably spend more time living a life than they do following and critiquing the lives of others. Now who suggested we can’t learn important life lessons from our young?

The young haven't become taxpayers yet so lessons from them regarding who is having them over would be rather misplaced. Critiquing the lives of others when those lives are lived on our dime seems a rather important critique to make.

MidnightConstellation · 02/11/2022 11:55

Marulatree · 02/11/2022 11:45

I’m sure they know exactly who they are. It would be rather worrying if most young people in the UK did not. It might legitimise some of the criticism of our education system. The difference is that this group probably spend more time living a life than they do following and critiquing the lives of others. Now who suggested we can’t learn important life lessons from our young?

P.S. The results came from a survey led by a charity that promotes positive mental health in teenagers.

Why would it be worrying? The RF are irrelevant to the lives of young people. The people I speak to in their twenties and early thirties don’t know who they are and don’t care either. They’ve heard of the Queen and vaguely heard of Charles. That’s it. I spoke to someone the other day who said they didn’t know what Balmoral is.

WahineToa · 02/11/2022 11:59

Harry and Meghan are completely irrelevant to most people in the U.K.,

and yet the UK just can’t stop talking about them and obsessing over their every move, as this thread shows. It’s disturbing, really disturbing, how both media and much of the royal-following public have gone after them the way they have. The things you pick on are just strange. I also had a private wedding with my DH, it wasn’t the legal one but it had the most meaning to us. To get angry when they talk of their mental health is even more gross and disturbing, the worst example being the deranged Piers Morgan’s awful harassment… I mean ffs you are all so triggered because they wanted to leave the family firm? Because she spoke about her race being an issue? Even Piers Morgan himself said the royal household has a race issue, he’s interviewed on camera about it before the wedding. You can’t argue that her race was raised by the press either. I’ve seen it. I’ve seen all the racist crap on the royal social media from the public too.

Your monarchy is outdated and a form of enslavement. The way you treat all of them is so unhealthy and old fashioned and the way you all believe the nasty rumours and crap the media spit out is not normal. The sooner they get rid of this outdated sexist and oppressive monarchy, the better off this country will be.

pumpkinscoop · 02/11/2022 12:00

It's a bit of a worry that young people in the UK don't know who the Head of State is, whether you agree with the king being HOS or otherwise.

The money generated by tourism etc related to the royal family is usually played down by denigrators, except when it's relating to Harry and Meghan when there are billions generated and that's the truth, thank you very much.

MidnightConstellation · 02/11/2022 12:18

WahineToa · 02/11/2022 11:59

Harry and Meghan are completely irrelevant to most people in the U.K.,

and yet the UK just can’t stop talking about them and obsessing over their every move, as this thread shows. It’s disturbing, really disturbing, how both media and much of the royal-following public have gone after them the way they have. The things you pick on are just strange. I also had a private wedding with my DH, it wasn’t the legal one but it had the most meaning to us. To get angry when they talk of their mental health is even more gross and disturbing, the worst example being the deranged Piers Morgan’s awful harassment… I mean ffs you are all so triggered because they wanted to leave the family firm? Because she spoke about her race being an issue? Even Piers Morgan himself said the royal household has a race issue, he’s interviewed on camera about it before the wedding. You can’t argue that her race was raised by the press either. I’ve seen it. I’ve seen all the racist crap on the royal social media from the public too.

Your monarchy is outdated and a form of enslavement. The way you treat all of them is so unhealthy and old fashioned and the way you all believe the nasty rumours and crap the media spit out is not normal. The sooner they get rid of this outdated sexist and oppressive monarchy, the better off this country will be.

I assume you paid for your own wedding?

Marulatree · 02/11/2022 12:22

antelopevalley · 02/11/2022 11:50

I literally laughed at the idea that the education system should waste time teaching kids who the Royals are. We don't all behave like cap-doffing plebs any more.

That wasn’t my suggestion. But while on the subject I do think it important to have an understanding of the history of this island as a coherent and chronological narrative – from the earliest times to the present day: the good, the bad, and the very very ugly. That starts with a comprehensive, unbiased education.

smilesy · 02/11/2022 12:28

Morestrangethings · 02/11/2022 11:53

estimated £1 billion pounds generated

“It was later estimated that the wedding generated £1 billion for the British economy, including an additional £300 million brought in by foreign tourists for travel and accommodation and £50 million spent on merchandise and souvenirs.[48]”

Taken from the wiki page on the H&M wedding.

Well it depends where you look There is no definite answer to this. There is a different opinion Here. The £1Bn were made by a firm called Brand Consultancy and repeated by Meghan herself. I don’t think the actual amount was ever quantified.

MidnightConstellation · 02/11/2022 12:31

Marulatree · 02/11/2022 12:22

That wasn’t my suggestion. But while on the subject I do think it important to have an understanding of the history of this island as a coherent and chronological narrative – from the earliest times to the present day: the good, the bad, and the very very ugly. That starts with a comprehensive, unbiased education.

I wasn't taught anything at all about the monarchy at school.

Croque · 02/11/2022 12:39

Chelsey attended two British public schools (where she was very, very popular) and her father is the biggest private landowner in Zimbabwe. I would place her above Kate, if anything.
Intellectually speaking, she was as clever as all the women who have ever married into the family aggregated and therefore far too bright for Harry.

antelopevalley · 02/11/2022 12:42

Marulatree · 02/11/2022 12:22

That wasn’t my suggestion. But while on the subject I do think it important to have an understanding of the history of this island as a coherent and chronological narrative – from the earliest times to the present day: the good, the bad, and the very very ugly. That starts with a comprehensive, unbiased education.

Maybe get politicians to stop interfering in the teaching of history? History teaching has had more political interference than the teaching of any other subject in state schools.

susan12345678 · 02/11/2022 13:04

Chelsey attended two British public schools (where she was very, very popular) and her father is the biggest private landowner in Zimbabwe. I would place her above Kate, if anything. Intellectually speaking, she was as clever as all the women who have ever married into the family aggregated and therefore far too bright for Harry.

Agreed. Both Chelsey and Cressida were way out of Harry's league. Little wonder they both refused to marry him.

Marulatree · 02/11/2022 13:06

MidnightConstellation · 02/11/2022 12:31

I wasn't taught anything at all about the monarchy at school.

Well the history of Britain is more expansive than the Monarchy. However, your comment does explain why when other informed posters have attempted to enlighten some MNers about how the royal family’s past is intertwined with colonialism, racism and gender, they have shown signs of being affronted rather than displaying modest curiosity or a desire to learn. So I’m not one who is sympathetic to such protests; not in the age of technology when reputable information is available at the click of a button.

MaulPerton · 02/11/2022 13:17

Marulatree · 02/11/2022 13:06

Well the history of Britain is more expansive than the Monarchy. However, your comment does explain why when other informed posters have attempted to enlighten some MNers about how the royal family’s past is intertwined with colonialism, racism and gender, they have shown signs of being affronted rather than displaying modest curiosity or a desire to learn. So I’m not one who is sympathetic to such protests; not in the age of technology when reputable information is available at the click of a button.

I can't decide if your comment is serious or tongue-in-cheek but every country's past is intertwined with colonialism/expansionism, racism and gender so on what basis are you arguing for a hierarchy in this context? Unless you are not can't decide who the enlightened posters are from your comment

MarshaMelrose · 02/11/2022 13:31

This is a well harsh thread. Lol. I think Meghan has nice manners, dresses nicely, people who have spoken to her say she's nice, maybe a bit pretentious but nice. She's not living on my dime. So I don't see the problem. I know she's going to trade on her connection to the RF, it's her USP, but I can accept that because, ultimately, that's human nature and a business necessity for them at this stage.
My only criticism is that she should stop trying to drag the family that has given her the opportunity to live in the wonderful 14 bed house she always wanted to live in but, without being royal, could never have afforded. She has all these advantages conferred on her by dint of being related to the king, so honestly, STFU talking about them. Then the UK really wouldn't bother talking about them which is, after all, what they say they want.

Marulatree · 02/11/2022 13:39

MaulPerton · 02/11/2022 13:17

I can't decide if your comment is serious or tongue-in-cheek but every country's past is intertwined with colonialism/expansionism, racism and gender so on what basis are you arguing for a hierarchy in this context? Unless you are not can't decide who the enlightened posters are from your comment

How can issues concerning colonialism, racism or gender in the context of the British Empire be deemed tongue-in-cheek? Furthermore, what does the following mean: on what basis are you arguing for a hierarchy in this context? The sentence doesn’t appear to have a meaning in any recognised context.
P.S. I can certainly deduce the unenlightened but admittedly that doesn’t require any intellectual prowess.

MidnightConstellation · 02/11/2022 13:47

Marulatree · 02/11/2022 13:06

Well the history of Britain is more expansive than the Monarchy. However, your comment does explain why when other informed posters have attempted to enlighten some MNers about how the royal family’s past is intertwined with colonialism, racism and gender, they have shown signs of being affronted rather than displaying modest curiosity or a desire to learn. So I’m not one who is sympathetic to such protests; not in the age of technology when reputable information is available at the click of a button.

I’m well aware of the issues you mention thanks. I also studied History at school and first year at University. I just wasn’t specifically taught about the British monarchy. I learned about them as I got older. I don’t think the younger generation gives a stuff about the monarchy. They aren’t relevant or relatable.

milti · 02/11/2022 13:58

‘Your monarchy is outdated and a form of enslavement. The way you treat all of them is so unhealthy and old fashioned and the way you all believe the nasty rumours and crap the media spit out is not normal. The sooner they get rid of this outdated sexist and oppressive monarchy, the better off this country will be’

What country are you from wahine ?

milti · 02/11/2022 13:59

‘You’ ‘you all’ who are you talking about ?

milti · 02/11/2022 14:00

British people per chance - rather a sweeping generalisation

MmeArnault · 02/11/2022 14:57

MarshaMelrose · 02/11/2022 13:31

This is a well harsh thread. Lol. I think Meghan has nice manners, dresses nicely, people who have spoken to her say she's nice, maybe a bit pretentious but nice. She's not living on my dime. So I don't see the problem. I know she's going to trade on her connection to the RF, it's her USP, but I can accept that because, ultimately, that's human nature and a business necessity for them at this stage.
My only criticism is that she should stop trying to drag the family that has given her the opportunity to live in the wonderful 14 bed house she always wanted to live in but, without being royal, could never have afforded. She has all these advantages conferred on her by dint of being related to the king, so honestly, STFU talking about them. Then the UK really wouldn't bother talking about them which is, after all, what they say they want.

Thank you.

MmeArnault · 02/11/2022 15:04

Marulatree · 02/11/2022 13:06

Well the history of Britain is more expansive than the Monarchy. However, your comment does explain why when other informed posters have attempted to enlighten some MNers about how the royal family’s past is intertwined with colonialism, racism and gender, they have shown signs of being affronted rather than displaying modest curiosity or a desire to learn. So I’m not one who is sympathetic to such protests; not in the age of technology when reputable information is available at the click of a button.

"Well the history of Britain is more expansive than the Monarchy. However, your comment does explain why when other informed posters 😂 have attempted to enlighten some MNers 😂 about how the royal family’s past is intertwined with colonialism, racism and gender, they have shown signs of being affronted rather than displaying modest curiosity 😂 or a desire to learn.😂 So I’m not one who is sympathetic to such protests 😂; not in the age of technology when reputable information is available at the click of a button."😂

😂Thank you for this!

Diverseopinions · 02/11/2022 15:18

I define press coverage of Meghan and Harry in two ways. Firstly, there is the title tattle and comment that attaches itself to those who put themselves in the public eye. Celebrities endure this as the cost of fame. People in the press routinely say that the beautiful and elegant Tess Daly on Strictly is dull. She has to shrug that off. Celebrities have to find a way of maximising their strengths, attending to the weaknesses and getting advice on how to develop their skills.

Some people are famous and their appearance attracts comment, notwithstanding they didn't put themselves in the public eye to get scrutinised for their looks. On Mumsnet, posters say they wouldn't shag Boris Johnson, impervious to his possible hurt feelings.

Then there is the commentary about the royals. For instance, people would post in the comments section of newspapers that they couldn't believe Prince Charles would choose Camilla over Diana. I expect performance comedians made similar gags. The press reported that Carole Middleton hadn't gone down well with the Queen, initially, for doing things like chewing gum and mini-pointing, when seated with Catherine, at a ceremonial occasion ( to do with William, I think). Even serious journalists like Sarah Vine have kind of defended Beatrice and Eugenie's looks ( not just their dress sense) and said how hard it must be for them not being as beautiful as Catherine - ticking off their strengths, like their great hair, I recall.

So much for tittle tattle. All of the above comments would have upset me, if I had been any of those people, because the comments obviously hit to the heart of what those individuals would like to be - elegant; accepted; loveable and twist the knife.

Then you have Meghan writing on the Sussex web page that they are going abroad to carve out a progressive new role within the British Royal Family. A few digs too - at the press. They didn't tell the Royal Family first. They didn't allow the Palace to announce the news. It was factually wrong because they were not going to be allowed to pursue royal duties in the way they chose. This had never been done before. It's like going into work at a big corporation and emailing the client list that you're going to be doing a semi-independent role - your way, from now on. What would everybody's line manager say and do on being forwarded that email by a client?

Then the Queen gets dissed for her use of the term 'service'. 'Wait' it's as if Meghan, trot back. 'You haven't got a monopoly on service, Your Maj. Who d'you think you are? Harry and I can do service - and more relevantly'.

I guess, any onlooker would think Meghan had taken the royals for fuddy duddy has-beens who were just ripe to be toppled from their perch and replaced by the cool younger royals. Not the serving ones, who no one follows, but the new hip royals.

To many people it is just so obvious that press criticism of Meghan is based on her extreme audacity and her problem-causing for the Royal Family, who do have a limited role to play in supplying the glue which binds community harmoniously - or so many think.

LaMarschallin · 02/11/2022 15:29

(Many thanks for the congratulations Flowers)

wordler · 02/11/2022 15:42

MidnightConstellation · 02/11/2022 12:31

I wasn't taught anything at all about the monarchy at school.

Did you go to school in the UK?

We did loads about the evolution of the monarchy and how that has shaped the UK across the centuries - 1066, Henry VIII, Cromwell, Tudors/Stuarts, the evolution of a constitutional monarchy, and how that shaped our governing systems.

Admittedly I did History GCSE and A-Level (and the a History degree) so went into depth on some of these topics but I remember doing a lot of this at primary too.

And I went to bog-standard state schools so I assume it was the national curriculum.

I remember one lesson in primary about women in powerful positions as we had both a female head of state and PM at the same time for the first time. And how that was inspirational for women (oh how you let us down, Maggie). I would have been about 8 years old for that - so we definitely went over the history of the monarchy and the late Queen's role for that.

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