Harry and Meghan - lies?

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Ok I’m keeping my fingers crossed this thread will not descend into an unsubstantiated bun fight! Please bear with me.

I’m definitely no Royalist, and am pretty ambivalent about H and M but from the little I’ve read they seem to have been treated pretty badly. However I keep seeing on other threads here that their claims have all be proven to be lies, which would make me much less sympathetic to them. But I can’t find any verification for this.

So I’m asking more knowledgeable posters - what lies specifically have H&M told and where’s the evidence to the contrary please?

thank you

I think it is a more deep seated problem then that.

I think she has difficulty with behaving appropriately within various contexts (not going to list them all), she has an aversion to rules and conventions and can get vocally defiant (or more extreme behind closed doors). Therefore, her choice to marry into such a family was a really, really lousy idea for all affected.

Once you join the show, the wealth, private jets, titles and outfits are given in exchange for positively promoting the spectacle through upholding the royal brand/ethos. She has taken the spoils and ridden rough shod over the other players in the spectacle.

Given this, a position of harmony could only be achieved if she returns the spoils, stops the criticism (direct and indirect) and becomes a private citizen earning an income unrelated to the spectacle.

Right now, she is using the spoils to set up a rival spectacle which is done in bad faith as it is parasitic. It cannot yield anything positive and authentic because it is built over a covered mine so the crack appear again and again.

@Croque I respect you have a certain narrative in your head. But it really does not stack up. Not behaving appropriately for Meghan comes down to things like stroking her pregnant belly, or wearing brown shoes.
While other members of the Royal Family rape a sex-trafficked teenager, accept millions in cash in suitcases, and lobby so environmental protection laws do not apply to their estates. But that is somehow appropriate behaviour?

As ever, it's something we will never know with any certainty but given that tourism numbers fell that year, M's claims to have brought in a billion in tourism appear to be, surprisingly for her said no-one ever, debatable. What we do know is that they do not work for us while building their empire while the others do work for us while building their empire.

Croque I think 'rival spectacle ' is interesting. Very much wondering why the pair are setting themselves up as 'royalty' in the US - it's a very strange thing to do. They don't have the philanthropic clout of say someone like Warren Buffet or Bill Gates, the intelligent reach of the Obamas, the intellectual clout of, say, Chomsky, the entrepreneurial power of Bezos or Musk.

I think they're very much part of 'pop' culture, but don't know that they have the depth to maintain anything long term without feeding the froth.

I saw it from Australia. All the mocking of her holding her baby bump, the avocado eating, holding hands with Harry etc. Actually, all good things to do imo :)

Btw, there never was a scandal/news about Meghan criticising their accommodations at Admiralty House in Sydney. Perhaps Murdoch’s Australian media outlets made some scandal up? And then amplified the nonexistent ‘scandal’ in the UK? I don’t read or watch Murdoch content. But that is something Murdoch media would do. But I never read or heard anything about Meghan being unhappy with the accomodation - not a peep. Until I read it on here, recently.

@antelopevalley Bloodline royals may have behaved in awful ways in secret but they are still outwardly abiding by the rules of the spectacle and they are usually financially conservative. She was coming in from the outside (like a Kate or a Sophie), she should not have gone for the £30m white wedding, brand promotion-via-wedding-guest-list and the monetizing she has done after going rogue. It all points to openly lusting after wealth and power which is deeply unattractive.
I have a similar wealth disparity between myself and OH (who comes from that background). He banks with Coutts, I bank with the local building society. We don't combine finances. We even split restaurant bills. It is distasteful that one person should bring all the money into a relationship and the other should buy glamourous, wealth-signaling tatt non stop (none of which is essential). Children need a (hopefully nice) home, not a gaudy mansion with fourteen bathrooms. Nice dresses need not be priced in thousands (Kate often looks amazing in cheaper labels). I would hate to have a parent like M.

Of course there’s more criticism of Meghan - she’s unpopular- Catherine isn’t

Yes, I agree they are. They have extracted a lot of value from their fifteen minutes of fame, maybe time to move along the conveyor belt!

is this talent-lacking broad.

So insulting. The whole thing. But calling Meghan a talent lacking ‘broad.’ I couldn’t believe it when I read it. A broad? Wth?

as to being pretentious - yes she came across like that in The cut interview - at least to me - but a lot of people act pretentiously, it might make them a little humorous but it’s a fairly common trait and not a bad or immoral trait - a silly trait at worst.

There are some posters on MN that are so good at being pretentious they could give how-to-be-pretentious lessons to Meghan: she doesn’t strike me as pretentious on her podcast. She comes across as warm and humorous and has a great speaking voice.

She comes across as warm and humorous I think that's main point of contention for me. She strikes me as not warm at all with zero sense of humour.

Agreed antelope.

I think Meghan’s ego is far more fragile than it seems. It explains a lot of her behavior.

She may be unpopular with a certain older age group (for reasons that can be well explained). But after Queen Elizabeth II they were voted last year by the young people of Britain as the “most respected” royals. Presumably they are now at the top of that list. So not everyone views them unfavourably. It perhaps seems like that to some MNers because most of them who routinely single out the duchess for criticism fall into that former group. Like more often than not attracts like.

She’s one up from Prince Andrew

2022 you gov

Which is ironic as it should be Harry in that position

So Beatrice, Eugenie (such a beautiful name) , and Meghan’s popularity has increased this year?

Andrew’s fall is not surprising. Actually I’m surprised it’s 8%.

She’s trying to fit in with the celebrity circles in which she moves though. LA celebrities all live like that. I do wonder how Harry is adapting however. It’s so far from what he was brought up with. Yes, he’s rich, but not on the sort of way LA celebs are. Ostentatious and showy.

Young people of Britain? I don’t think most even know who she is, or care. Harry and Meghan are completely irrelevant to most people in the U.K., particularly the younger generation. Most people in their twenties couldn’t name the Royals.

Chelsey would not have been considered 'upper class' although she was from a wealthy family.

I do think much of this is down to your inbuild standards and values, far more than perceived 'class'.

Meghan was ingrained with the standards of Hollywood (maybe) and just wanted any freebies going - it would have really hurt her that BP sent back all the handbags/jewellery/clothes to the suppliers. She didn't understand what it would mean to be a member of the RF, and Harry clearly didn't explain to her.

I will never get over the £56K dress for her engagement photo - she certainly doesn't have any 'reading the room' skills.

She’s trying to fit in with the celebrity circles in which she moves though. LA celebrities all live like that

Which is lovely for them and anyone else who wants it but just don't do it on the beleaguered taxpayer dime. Hand back titles and wedding costs and go it alone. We have enough crap thrown at us without these two adding to it.

Increased yes - I’m not sure how
low it was before - someone may wish to look it up 😃

Watching the tv series ‘the me you cannot see’ and it seems Harry is doing better than ever.

Harrys not used to ‘showy, ‘ yeah, he absolutely is. The British Monarchy is a big show. They aim to be that way.

I’m sure they know exactly who they are. It would be rather worrying if most young people in the UK did not. It might legitimise some of the criticism of our education system. The difference is that this group probably spend more time living a life than they do following and critiquing the lives of others. Now who suggested we can’t learn important life lessons from our young?

P.S. The results came from a survey led by a charity that promotes positive mental health in teenagers.

I literally laughed at the idea that the education system should waste time teaching kids who the Royals are. We don't all behave like cap-doffing plebs any more.