Harry and Meghan - lies?

[FurAndFeathers]

Ok I’m keeping my fingers crossed this thread will not descend into an unsubstantiated bun fight! Please bear with me.

I’m definitely no Royalist, and am pretty ambivalent about H and M but from the little I’ve read they seem to have been treated pretty badly. However I keep seeing on other threads here that their claims have all be proven to be lies, which would make me much less sympathetic to them. But I can’t find any verification for this.

So I’m asking more knowledgeable posters - what lies specifically have H&M told and where’s the evidence to the contrary please?

thank you

That's a good one to hang on to. For you.

Roussette

And 🤞

Paying back for the wedding and giving back titles would be a great start for them in ameliorating some of that negativity.

Meghan is not funded by the British taxpayer

😂 Oh, really?

Lol. Why should they pay back for their wedding?
Maybe Andrew should too, it barely lasted 9 years! And perhaps he and his ex wife of 25 years who we still fund to live on a massive estate, even though she's not married to a member of the RF, could pay back something? Instead of living off the British taxpayer!

Yay! An opportunity to bring up Andrew!

Don't talk to me about paying back a wedding for a still married couple. Nonsense

Yes. Really.

Show me otherwise

But Meghan was so dismissive of “ the spectacle” ! If it meant so little to her ( and him) why agree to it ? Other Royals have had low key weddings and given that it was her second, no one would have batted an eyelid if they had had a small event .
Harry is not THAT important.

This is how I see it:

I do think Kate has copped a lot of criticism and I’ve said it on MN a number of times.

Kate experienced lot of misogynistic criticism when she first married William & before apparently - ie waity Katy, and continued to experience quite a lot until Meghan arrived on the scene, then Meghan experienced it.

Kate is not as much a victim of it at the moment but, indeed, it still happens. Thinking a 4 year old could sit through hours long jubilee concert and not get restless and be a bit cheeky at times is ridiculous. As we know, 4 year olds do that stuff and people who criticise Kate for it either never were parents, or have forgotten what their own little children were like or have also forgotten that If they are going to blame Kate’s mothering, then equal blame should be directed William’s parenting too.

As well as misogynistic criticism, Meghan has experienced criticism that is racist based also. Criticism of Meghan has escalated since Harry snd Meghan left the UK.

I’ve also said that it’s my belief, that as soon as tabloid media sense the public are growing tired of their Meghan bashing, Kate will start experiencing higher levels of criticism once again.

Was she affording hugely expensive designer outfits worn on a daily basis before she married Harry? No
Was she able to afford a $15m mansion? No - she was renting a condo in the Toronto suburbs
Was she dripping in gold diamonds and loads of expensive jewelry? No - had a couple of tiny buts like many people.
Could she afford all those private jets? No
Was she hobnobbing with kings, queens and presidents? No, just Lizzie Cundy and other thirsty cable TV slebs like herself.

I grant it to her - she landed on her feet with Harry and maybe she is no longer actively sponging off KC because she has taken all the spoils and run. H does not have a perspective on it because it was always his normal. The person deriving that delicious enjoyment of securing a Lotto win bigger than dad's without even entering is this talent-lacking broad.

Mainly though, it's the attitudes that come across in the podcasts and interviews over which she has control. She tries to sound sophisticated and relaxed but it is layer upon layer of pretentiousness, awkwardness and self indulgence. A carefully-contrived-to impress spectacle which is ultimately all hot air.

Not only that. H&M made such a fuss about trivialities like tiaras, flower girl dresses and the choir's performance.

Congratulations LaMarschallin on being a new grandmother!

Was she affording hugely expensive designer outfits worn on a daily basis before she married Harry? No
Was she able to afford a $15m mansion? No - she was renting a condo in the Toronto suburbs
Was she dripping in gold diamonds and loads of expensive jewelry? No - had a couple of tiny buts like many people.
Could she afford all those private jets? No
Was she hobnobbing with kings, queens and presidents? No, just Lizzie Cundy and other thirsty cable TV slebs like herself

God what is the matter with you?

You sound bitter, jealous, envious and nasty

Congratulations LaM

Both Kate & Meghan have experienced criticism no doubt about it. But I believe Meghan’s was in part racially motivated & Kate’s class. However I actually think the vileness directed at the York Princesses was worse. They were young women & my dds wouldn’t have been able to cope with it.

And of course having help at home doesn’t mean that you can’t be a hands on mum!

@FurAndFeathers
"I guess Meghan and Harry could have finalised their vows with the archbishop and that could be more meaningful to them than the public ceremony. What a couple perceive as their personal union/marriage might not be the same as the legal certification of marriage."
But at the time, they insisted on having as big a 'spectacle' as P. William and Kate. The Queen apparently suggested they could have a smaller quiet wedding, which they did not want. So, my conclusion is that they actually WANTED the 'spectacle', which they now say was for the people.
The question really is.... in what way were they badly treated?
It seems that Meghan did not really understand that all P. Harry's money came to him from P. Charles. She wanted to monetise the RF. This is where the Queen said they were either in or out. ie, they are no longer working members, and they now monetise their RF connections.
Their spkesman Scobie has complained that the Tindalls 'monetise' their RF connections, but the Tindalls are not and have never been working members of the Royal Family; ie they do not represent the Crown, etc.
M&H wanted to do both.

You asked for evidence of how she was freeloading off the royals. But you don't actually like to hear it. Well, there's a surprise! 😉

Marrying someone richer than you is not freeloading.

Congratulations! I’m a new grandmother too. It’s the best.

So well put.

It depends upon how you handle their wealth once you have married them. The dignified way would be to treat it as though it were your own and live comfortably within your means. without throwing it around and flaunting it. That is what a Chelsey or Cressida would probably have done automatically. It shows you up as being a lot of undesirable things if you behave in the way that M cannot help but behave.

@MidnightConstellation Thank you, just pointing out the obvious 😄

So the real issue is she is not upper class?
I totally recognise all those code ways of saying basically she is too lower class to have married this rich man.

Lol. Why should they pay back for their wedding?

Because the ink was barely dry before they gathered up their titles and the new-found connections made at the weeding courtesy of the British taxpayer and buggered off to the States to put them to work building their own personal multi-million-dollar empire.

I agree Rousette. It’s actually terrible the amount of negativity aimed in Meghan’s direction now.. British tabloids seem to like ‘their’ women quiet and controllable.To state the obvious, there are many members of society, still, who like women to ‘be quiet’ Kate is an approved ‘quiet woman.’ I don’t blame her as I would most likely have been the same if I was in her position. If Kate is not speaking out because she is ‘not allowed,’ then even more shame on the media, sections of society, and some members of social media, and the Royal Family.

Meanwhile Meghan is punished by those same tabloids for not being a ‘quiet woman.’ I believe she’s copping more criticism for not being ‘a quiet black woman.’ Someone like Meghan, who will not be silenced, (why should she be?), is receiving a lot of ire from tabloids & Social media. I feel quite in awe of women who won’t be quiet despite the pressure to to be so. But I also do fear for her. I understand the need for protective security for the whole family, and can’t believe Charles does not. He needs his head read.

Really , both Kate and Meghan, are each making their way through life in their own ways.

Didn’t their wedding pull in over a billion pounds for the British economy? And everyone had a lovely day. What difference how long they lived here for or not?

@antelopevalley

This quote aptly explains the actions of these particular MNers:

“Envy is the religion of the mediocre. It comforts them, it soothes their worries, and finally it rots their souls, allowing them to justify their meanness and their greed until they believe these to be virtues” (Carlos Ruiz Zafon, novelist).