Lord Mountbatten abuse allegations

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uk.news.yahoo.com/abused-lord-mountbatten-claims-former-184401740.html

Andrew Lownie's joint bio 'The Mountbattens' quotes multiple accounts of Mountbatten abusing children and teenagers. One source is one of the Queen Mother's ladies-in-waiting, Lady Decies, who told the FBI that Mountbatten was thought of as a 'person of very low morals' with 'a perversion for young boys'. If Mr Smythe wins the case, would it damage the monarchy? Charles would have been too young to know about it while Mountbatten was alive, but it does put him and the others in an uncomfortable light now, especially since Prince William named Louis after Mountbatten.

Lesser, snopes says the video was fake - www.snopes.com/fact-check/escape-from-buckingham-palace/

Are you ten years old? The allegations are in the link on the first post relating to the court case. Can't believe there are still people who are unaware what happened to boys in the boys homes (and girls no doubt too) you find that hilarious?

This is a horrible thing to say and hugely victim blamjng if i have understood you correctly.

THIS

@cantba What??

@Holidayexpert you are insinuating that paedophillia is genetic or
learnt behaviour. To say that someone is genetically predisposed to be a paedophile is pretty vile and would indicate that children of paedophiles will also be paedophiles. If you are saying its learnt behaviour then that follows as an abusive environment.

I thought @Holidayexpert meant that the royals have a history of covering up these sorts of things but that was just my interpretation.

@cantba Your comprehension skills are somewhat lacking!
@AnnunciataZ Yes, that’s precisely what I mean.

Are you ten years old? The allegations are in the link on the first post relating to the court case. Can't believe there are still people who are unaware what happened to boys in the boys homes (and girls no doubt too) you find that hilarious?

Don't be silly. No one thinks sexual abuse is hilarious. But I guess it serves your purpose to wmtwist my words. That's not the post I responded to. I responded to someone saying that the RF would be brought down by allegations made on MN. I've seen lots of allegations made on MN that have been a load of rubbish. So my point is just because an allegation is made on MN, it doesn't mean it's true. If you're interested in what I think about the sexual abuse at the boys home, you could read my previous post.

@MarshaMelrose
NONE of the issue referred to in the post were disproved as set out below They weren't gossip . They have been documented.

They are serious and your tone was misjudged

So, I'll say it once more and I'm done. I posted about the sexual abuse,at the boys school and said that I hoped the victims found justice.

However, the post I quoted spoke of allegations, not specified by the poster, on MN that would bring the RF down. There have been many allegations on MN that are ludicrous and clearly untrue so an allegation does not always equate to the truth. Hence the allegation above that Mountbatten was going to lead a coup against Wilsons govt has never had any proof to support it. So it's hardly going to bring the RF down. Equally on here it was alleged that Diana's brother backed a coup of an African country. Just not true. There are tons of allegations on here.
I understand that you are very anti the monarchy but you keep making out that I said things I didn't isn't going to make your case.

This is the post you referred to

'The pomp and privilege Andrew, the Oprah interview and the allegations on this thread'

Andrew - paid £12 million to a victim of sexual abuse whom he claims never to have met

Harry - can speak for himself - it's not gossip

The allegations on this thread concern the Mountbatten sexual abuse court case

I've always thought that a bit odd. I can understand why Charles named his own son after Mountbatten but William never knew him!

Maybe not knowing him was the best or only way to think well of him.

Novella4 · Yesterday 13:16
Mountbatten rumours and associations have been circulating for decades . The FBI had a file on him.
Why has it all been suppressed for so very long is the question??
The trial will be closely watched.

How can you put a man on trial when he has been dead for years? He can't go to prison or pay compensation to his victims

@Holidayexpert i think it is your communication skills that are off rather than my comprehension.

You said that you think the royal family are full of nonces and that it seems to run through the generations.

A nonce is a person who commits a crime of a sexual nature, especially sex with a child.

I also said i might have misunderstood you at which point you could have clarified what you actually meant. Rather than what you wrote.

I stand by what i wrote and it is a vile thing to say particularly if you think of the implications for all victims of abuse rather than just an opportunity to have a pop at the royal family.

@BadgerB
Are you really completely unaware of the situation ?

The trial will no doubt uncover a network and there are other testimonies . They get pieced together .
The individual who is taking the case is very brave . He may well inspire others to come forward

@cantba Od do bore off! You have deliberately misinterpreted what I’ve said to push your own narrative.
Ta ta😀

The trial will no doubt uncover a network and there are other testimonies. They get pieced together .

This work has already been done though. The Northern Ireland Historical Instutional Abuse Enquiry, which ran for more than two and a half years between 2014 and 2016 covered allegations about abuse at Kincora as part of it - they had a lot of material about what happened at Kincora, which I’ve linked to below. The abuse there makes harrowing reading, but the enquiry found it was limited to just three staff members, and that there were no grounds to suspect any others of involvement, and that there had been no attempt by any agency to cover anything up.

Obviously the claimant here disagrees with those findings, and has filed a court case to challenge them. But given the extensive investigation already conducted it’s likely the trial will only involve an assessment of the claimant’s own evidence. And, given the allegations deal with events nearly 50 years ago, it will be a difficult case for both sides.

www.hiainquiry.org/kincora-material

There are studies which suggest that paedophilia may be linked to genetic influences which predispose people to sexual interest in children. Even if this is true, nobody knows if it would be dominant or recessive trait, so you couldn't say the children of paedophiles will definitely be paedophiles.

I would suggest that generational misogyny definitely exists. Hence the world we live in after all.

A sense of entitlement on the part of princes of the realm and all other realms to the bodies of lesser mortals is very likely also a thing.

@Serenster
Please .
Your attempt to discredit the case before it has even happened is disgraceful .
Mr Smyth has bravely abandoned his anonymity . He is to be admired .

Mountbatten has accusers from many sides and over many decades . Decades ago the FBI labelled him a pedophile .
Charles favourite great uncle and mentor . Many questions raised by this about the wider institution of monarchy .

www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-63319930.amp

@Serenster
The investigation you quote is being accused of not being sufficiently 'thorough' shall we say

Basically a coverup .

www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/national/23053335.abused-lord-mountbatten-claims-former-boys-home-resident/

Solicitor Kevin Winters puts it better than I can

"“It is borne out of anger at systemic state cover-up on abuse at these institutions."

Yes, I know very well that’s the accusation, Novella. It doesn’t mean it’s true though - Mohammed Al Fayed has been shouting for years that the Diana inquest, the Operation Paget inquiry and the French criminal investigations were all cover ups, when it clearly isn’t the case.

The Historic Institutional Abuse enquiry into events at Kincora had evidence from 7 witnesses from the Ministry of Defence, 6 statements from witnesses from MI5, 9 statements from witnesses from MI6 and a statement from the Department for Justice, plus also documents from the above agencies. I am very sure that you personally consider them with your eyebrows well and truly raised, but it is extremely unlikely that this new court case will be able to access anything further than the evidence they have already given.

And please don’t say that pointing out that there has already been an investigation on these issues, and that the allegations date back nearly 50 years is discrediting the case. They are simply the facts of the matter, no matter what your personal feelings are. Mr Smyth may very well succeed - neither you or I can know that at this stage. But cold cases are very hard to bring (that’s also a fact!).

Oh and I also know that the FBI file had accounts from various contemporaries of Mountbatten and his sexual preferences. He was alleged to be bisexual (homosexuality of course being a crime when he was alive, so that was a matter that the Security Services would obviously keep track of). Obviously I don’t know if it was true, but it may well have been - he and his wife had an open marriage by mutual choice. If he was sleeping with both men and women I personally don’t find that an issue.

The paedophilia allegations are obviously far more serious. I don’t know if the FBI files ever specified the ages of the men he was said to be interested in, however - do you have a source for that? A reference to “young boys” in the period might not mean underage boys - it’s hard to tell. As we know, its easy to label men as paedophiles (thus intending to suggest they have a sexual interest in children) when they might actually just be interested in young, but sexually mature, people. Neither interest says good things about their character, but only one is illegal, of course.