Why are H&M "less important" now?

[thefoggiest]

Let's not make this a bashing thread!
But in another thread yesterday it occured to me that the way I see it, I just get the sense that with the queens death they almost drop a rank. But that doesnt make sense? If anything shouldn't they now feel more important? Now that her majesty has gone it just feels like they become more distant somehow. Could it be to do with the passing of a generation, so they are no longer "the youth"?

By the way this isnt based on any facts or anything I've read, just a feeling on it. Can anyone explain? Am I right or wrong?

Well firstly if you’re looking at it like that you could argue that none of the royals are important. The monarch no longer has any significant political powers. Charles may reign, but he does not rule.

I'm not sure how you can say the Head of State of 15 nations is not important.

When you took up your keyboard Meghan was a beautiful, seemingly intelligent woman with the love and devotion of a prince, two adorable children, significant wealth, and a global platform that other public figures (including other members of the royal family) could only dream of having. After your comments are uploaded to MN she still retains these attributes.

I would take issue with a lot of the 'attributes' above, but you seem to have a strange attitude towards discussions on fora like these. Do you only discuss people and things when your words can have a material impact on them? Because that would rule out almost all online discussion, including your posts here.

So it seems very futile to me. But what do I know? I speak only as a person who does not seek gratification from attempting to diminish another human being – especially when I have no power to do so.

Aren't you the poster whose posts got deleted for personally insulting other posters a few days ago? Or was that a different poster with the same user name?

That's a lie. Meghan was absent, unseen and silent for 104 days and guess what the headlines became?

Where is Meghan Markle? 104 days out of sight!

Meghan was silent a year before Oprah and the abuse continued unabated.

There's a hate machine that doesn't need Meghan's input.

She's silent after the funeral and in mourning. Here comes another bash fest book. Are you going to blame her for that too?

I can understand the upset but I still don't consider that bullying

If you genuinely believe that, I'm amazed you haven't faced bullying allegations yourself. Although maybe there's a reason your staff don't speak up, who knows.

F*irstTM
"So it seems very futile to me. But what do I know? I speak only as a person who does not seek gratification from attempting to diminish another human being – especially when I have no power to do so."
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So it is surely incongruous FirstTM that you have made so much effort yourself to diminish other posters on this thread for daring to have different opinions to you.

The work might have been so hopeless she'd have considered anyone else to do it and was stuck

If that was the case, and the reason was genuinely not up to the standard required for the job, the duty (the legal duty) is on the employer to coach and develop them to help them improve in the first instance.

I am not suggesting that Meghan have to do this personally by the way - that’s not her job and we know the Palace teams have juniors and seniors in roles. What I would have suggested to anyone in Meghan’s shoes dealing with this is that they first talk to the senior in the team to let them know that the employee’s work in this situation is not up to scratch, and ask them to deal with talking the employee through how it needed to be improved and supervising them redoing it.

It is never acceptable to belittle your employee in public for it. Never.

People comment on social media about all sorts, pop stars, celebrities, sports people. There'd be little in the way of SM if people didn't. Meghan and Harry and their supporters have been given to complaining about various members of the royal family, who, historically, and tbh, wisely don't enter into tit for tat allegations. If Harry and Meghan had ridden off into the sunset to live their 'best life', none of this would be happening. I give them little importance, it's like watching a car crash in slow motion - horrendous, but can't look away, but it's slightly concerning that some give them credence way beyond their influence.

Because i've seen terrible work in my day, incompetence can be very frustrating. I'll have a word about tone and kindness but my mind wouldn't go to bullying straight away.

*Tadara
"I can understand the upset but I still don't consider that bullying. The work might have been so hopeless she'd have considered anyone else to do it and was stuck 💁"
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Maybe consider referring yourself for some bullying awareness training?

They don't enter tit for tat allegations, they just get their palace sources and uncles to do it on their behalf 😅

Well it should, because it is!

If you can't deal with incompetence without being abusive, you've got no business being a manager!

And you've jumped to the conclusion that it was sub par work even though other members of staff didn't think so.

This is what I mean by loony. And I don't believe you're a manager.

i'm a team lead I said 🙂

I am wary of anybody who has a ready answer to everything (be it in the public eye or on MN).

I'm not sure what the difference is but I guess it relies on spotting bullying when it's right in front of you.

I find it interesting that in the excerpts, there's some admission to Harry being held back since he was forced to leave the military. Now William is playing catch up.

Sorry, we're just not going to agree that that was bullying. I believe Meghan's race also played a role in being seen as the aggressor.

I believe Meghan's race also played a role in being seen as the aggressor.

What about the fact that there was a huge power imbalance here - as is proven by the circumstances, no matter what she did, there would be no consequences.

Of course we're not, but that doesn't mean you aren't pants-on-head wrong. I'll bet that if anyone said something equivalent to you right now in this discussion, you'd consider it abusive.

Tadara have you undergone any training about bullying at your workplace or elsewhere? Your awareness level seems pretty poor.

I'm also very aware of how keen people are to call black women bullies.

That doesn’t mean that it can’t also be true in an individual case though, does it?

Well that escalated 😂

I've read the article. Rather interesting, seems like episode 1 of this series has been played, can't wait for episode 2 Team Sussex rebuttal.

I mean this shit is just glorious, better than any Netflix series ever made 😂

I believe none of them, I think the truth is somewhere in the middle, but I cba to look for it.

Let's go 😌

I want H&M to come out swinging 😏

You believe racism is the cause of her being accused of bullying junior and senior staff, nothing will change your mind. And that’s okay.

Those of us that are discerning are able to see where they’ve been treated unfairly and where they have themselves been unfair to those ‘under’ them. Also we are capable of viewing Meghans personality as a person independent of her race.

T*adara
"I 'm also very aware of how keen people are to call black women bullies."
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Utterly lacking in awareness of what actually constitutes bullying according to evidence from this thread.

Oh I'm sure they will.

More shit will get flung over the fence I'm sure.

This all reminds me of that episode of the Osbourne's when Sharon is in the back garden screaming at the neighbours and then chucks dog shit over their fence 😂