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Why are H&M "less important" now?

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thefoggiest · 17/09/2022 09:16

Let's not make this a bashing thread!
But in another thread yesterday it occured to me that the way I see it, I just get the sense that with the queens death they almost drop a rank. But that doesnt make sense? If anything shouldn't they now feel more important? Now that her majesty has gone it just feels like they become more distant somehow. Could it be to do with the passing of a generation, so they are no longer "the youth"?

By the way this isnt based on any facts or anything I've read, just a feeling on it. Can anyone explain? Am I right or wrong?

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BigBamBoom · 23/09/2022 19:43

what they called a cable actress

She was a cable actress. Not even that now.

Thesummeriwas16 · 23/09/2022 19:43

tadara · 23/09/2022 19:40

Darling 😂 Nope, just that the people in question have previously blanched at taking orders from what they called a cable actress. Anything she said would be filtered through an ugly lens

If it's true that someone said they didn't want to work for a cable actress then that isn't racist is it and that was one person, that doesn't tar everyone!

Also, what do you have to say about the actual racist things that Harry has said or again will you ignore that as Meghan and Harry seem to??

MaulPerton · 23/09/2022 19:44

tadara · 23/09/2022 18:57

Has not been published. In other words buried.

Why don't they release it?

These people are happy to talk to Low, surely they won't mind the report being released.

I think it has just been.

tadara · 23/09/2022 19:44

IcedPurple · 23/09/2022 19:35

Is MN OK with named public figures being called 'racist' without evidence on their forum?

It's a good thing you're an anonymous poster, because you could find yourself in legal trouble if you actually came out and made those claims in person.

Speaking of which, when is Meghan going to sue over all these 'false claims'? Mind you, she didn't sue over the Sunday Times article, despite being notoriously litigious. Which leads one to draw the obvious conclusion.

Speaking of which, when is Meghan going to sue over all these 'false claims'? Mind you, she didn't sue over the Sunday Times article, despite being notoriously litigious. Which leads one to draw the obvious conclusion.

Meghan has never sued over nonsense written in a book. She didn't sue Colin Campbell for calling her intersex and accusing her of faking her pregnancy, She didn't sue Lacey when he alleged staffers called her damaged goods, sociopath etc

So this might just be ignored. We'll see.

tadara · 23/09/2022 19:45

MaulPerton · 23/09/2022 19:44

I think it has just been.

Where? Link please?

IcedPurple · 23/09/2022 19:46

tadara · 23/09/2022 19:40

Darling 😂 Nope, just that the people in question have previously blanched at taking orders from what they called a cable actress. Anything she said would be filtered through an ugly lens

Can you name the 'people in question' and quote their words?

Or are you just citing an allegation you read somewhere? Not necessarily saying it's false, but it's quite interesting what you choose to believe and not believe.

StormzyinaTCup · 23/09/2022 19:46

I think it has just been

I was thinking that too.
More than one way to skin a cat.

ReneBumsWombats · 23/09/2022 19:47

tadara · 23/09/2022 19:41

Why loony? 😂

Everyone's got their point of view.

What does your support of Harry and Meghan look like? Genuinely curious.

I'm not particularly supportive. I used to like them a lot and was very supportive of them departing. Some of the racist press was despicable. I hoped they'd go on to leave the family alone publicly and pursue their new interests. I expected a film/TV production company.

But ever since then they just seem to do more and more to show their complete contempt for the people who did support them, and they just seem to lack grace at every turn. I also think that if they want out, they should ditch the titles completely. I'm annoyed that they want to stick the boot in the royal family while capitalising off it. It's been two and a half years and they still can't drop it.

tadara · 23/09/2022 19:48

StormzyinaTCup · 23/09/2022 19:46

I think it has just been

I was thinking that too.
More than one way to skin a cat.

Ah, so this article is the report.

Now, I don't want any tears or people crying that she's misusing her power if she chooses to respond

IcedPurple · 23/09/2022 19:48

tadara · 23/09/2022 19:44

Speaking of which, when is Meghan going to sue over all these 'false claims'? Mind you, she didn't sue over the Sunday Times article, despite being notoriously litigious. Which leads one to draw the obvious conclusion.

Meghan has never sued over nonsense written in a book. She didn't sue Colin Campbell for calling her intersex and accusing her of faking her pregnancy, She didn't sue Lacey when he alleged staffers called her damaged goods, sociopath etc

So this might just be ignored. We'll see.

She didn't sue over the Sunday Times article either, and she was supposedly given notice of the content in advance. Nor was any outright denial issued.

Surely if your brand was 'compassion in action' or some similar inane slogan, you'd be very eager to clear your name if repeatedly accused of being a horrible bully?

tadara · 23/09/2022 19:48

ReneBumsWombats · 23/09/2022 19:47

I'm not particularly supportive. I used to like them a lot and was very supportive of them departing. Some of the racist press was despicable. I hoped they'd go on to leave the family alone publicly and pursue their new interests. I expected a film/TV production company.

But ever since then they just seem to do more and more to show their complete contempt for the people who did support them, and they just seem to lack grace at every turn. I also think that if they want out, they should ditch the titles completely. I'm annoyed that they want to stick the boot in the royal family while capitalising off it. It's been two and a half years and they still can't drop it.

I disagree but that's ok. Thank you for responding.

tadara · 23/09/2022 19:52

IcedPurple · 23/09/2022 19:48

She didn't sue over the Sunday Times article either, and she was supposedly given notice of the content in advance. Nor was any outright denial issued.

Surely if your brand was 'compassion in action' or some similar inane slogan, you'd be very eager to clear your name if repeatedly accused of being a horrible bully?

Meghan is accused of all sorts daily. Apparently she's a liar, a narcissist, a sociopath, damaged goods etc

As for denials,

I'm afraid that you cannot deny that someone else felt bullied, if they felt it, they felt it. You'd accuse her of invalidating their experience if she went that far. So she did the most she could and called it a smear.

I believe her.

IcedPurple · 23/09/2022 19:55

tadara · 23/09/2022 19:52

Meghan is accused of all sorts daily. Apparently she's a liar, a narcissist, a sociopath, damaged goods etc

As for denials,

I'm afraid that you cannot deny that someone else felt bullied, if they felt it, they felt it. You'd accuse her of invalidating their experience if she went that far. So she did the most she could and called it a smear.

I believe her.

She could have denied that the incidents took place as described. She did not. For reasons which are very obvious.

tadara · 23/09/2022 20:01

IcedPurple · 23/09/2022 19:55

She could have denied that the incidents took place as described. She did not. For reasons which are very obvious.

Ripping things to shreds is not bullying. Maybe because of my line of work.

As a team lead, I rip test plans to shreds every single day because they are crap and need improvement. I go point by point and tear it apart. It's what i get paid to do so contracts have appropriate financing.

If Meghan comes up and says I didn't rip her plan to shreds, i only gave her constructive feedback, what will you say to that?

Same people here would accuse her of lying.

ReneBumsWombats · 23/09/2022 20:04

tadara · 23/09/2022 20:01

Ripping things to shreds is not bullying. Maybe because of my line of work.

As a team lead, I rip test plans to shreds every single day because they are crap and need improvement. I go point by point and tear it apart. It's what i get paid to do so contracts have appropriate financing.

If Meghan comes up and says I didn't rip her plan to shreds, i only gave her constructive feedback, what will you say to that?

Same people here would accuse her of lying.

Do you reduce your staff to tears when you do it?

IcedPurple · 23/09/2022 20:05

tadara · 23/09/2022 20:01

Ripping things to shreds is not bullying. Maybe because of my line of work.

As a team lead, I rip test plans to shreds every single day because they are crap and need improvement. I go point by point and tear it apart. It's what i get paid to do so contracts have appropriate financing.

If Meghan comes up and says I didn't rip her plan to shreds, i only gave her constructive feedback, what will you say to that?

Same people here would accuse her of lying.

It's not just 'ripping to shreds' though, is it?

The article and, it seems, the book are full of quite specific claims. Meghan never denied any of them, despite being given the chance to so in advance. If they were false, she would have. But she didn't. And we all know why. Well, most of us do.

SallyLockheart · 23/09/2022 20:06

As a team lead, I rip test plans to shreds every single day because they are crap and need improvement. I go point by point and tear it apart. It's what i get paid to do so contracts have appropriate financing

If you train and mentor your staff well, it is unlikely they would repeat the same mistakes day after day after day. Perhaps you have problems retaining capable staff?

The bullying part of that story was that she stated to the member of staff, infront of others, that if there was anybody else available, she (Meghan) would use that person instead. That is called bullying and belittling.

FirstTM · 23/09/2022 20:07

IcedPurple · 23/09/2022 19:16

Like I said, they are 'important' in the sense that they are good gossip fodder. But so are the Kardashians and various others who incite lots of interest on social media. It's always the more 'controversial' royals, from Margaret to Diana to Sarah Ferguson, who attract this sort of attention. However, in the constitutional sense, they are of no importance, which is what I believe previous posters were saying.

Well firstly if you’re looking at it like that you could argue that none of the royals are important. The monarch no longer has any significant political powers. Charles may reign, but he does not rule.

Secondly, your response still doesn’t answer the question of your (and others) motivation to post negative comments repeatedly about a person who has no significance. Surely you wouldn’t do it if you weren’t getting anything positive from the act. It’s not as if it has any impact on the duchess’s life.

When you took up your keyboard Meghan was a beautiful, seemingly intelligent woman with the love and devotion of a prince, two adorable children, significant wealth, and a global platform that other public figures (including other members of the royal family) could only dream of having. After your comments are uploaded to MN she still retains these attributes.

So it seems very futile to me. But what do I know? I speak only as a person who does not seek gratification from attempting to diminish another human being – especially when I have no power to do so.

Serenster · 23/09/2022 20:08

“Don’t worry,” Meghan told her. “If there was literally anyone else I could ask to do this, I would be asking them instead of you.”

This is not “ripping a test plan” to shreds. This is publicly belittling and humiliating a person in front of their colleagues. It’s not constructive in any way. That kind of treatment will likely make the employee feel upset, emotional and demotivated - unhelpful when the quote suggests they are the only person who can redo the work.

MaulPerton · 23/09/2022 20:08

tadara · 23/09/2022 19:30

Yup, fully paid up 😀

The mind boggles that anyone would want to pay for this (and Andrew).

Snog · 23/09/2022 20:10

T*adara
"Never read a statement more pathetic and sad. No one is holding a gun to your head babes. You're obsessed and that's ok 😉"
*
Wow. What a mean spirited, rude and crass post.

How many times have you posted on this thread tadara and you call other posters obsessed?

Tillsforthrills · 23/09/2022 20:11

FirstTM · 23/09/2022 20:07

Well firstly if you’re looking at it like that you could argue that none of the royals are important. The monarch no longer has any significant political powers. Charles may reign, but he does not rule.

Secondly, your response still doesn’t answer the question of your (and others) motivation to post negative comments repeatedly about a person who has no significance. Surely you wouldn’t do it if you weren’t getting anything positive from the act. It’s not as if it has any impact on the duchess’s life.

When you took up your keyboard Meghan was a beautiful, seemingly intelligent woman with the love and devotion of a prince, two adorable children, significant wealth, and a global platform that other public figures (including other members of the royal family) could only dream of having. After your comments are uploaded to MN she still retains these attributes.

So it seems very futile to me. But what do I know? I speak only as a person who does not seek gratification from attempting to diminish another human being – especially when I have no power to do so.

She’s discussed because she wants to be.

Its not diminishing to discuss things she’s said any why you don’t agree/think she’s lying/don’t like her.

It’ll never be silenced because MM and PH fuel it.

tadara · 23/09/2022 20:12

Serenster · 23/09/2022 20:08

“Don’t worry,” Meghan told her. “If there was literally anyone else I could ask to do this, I would be asking them instead of you.”

This is not “ripping a test plan” to shreds. This is publicly belittling and humiliating a person in front of their colleagues. It’s not constructive in any way. That kind of treatment will likely make the employee feel upset, emotional and demotivated - unhelpful when the quote suggests they are the only person who can redo the work.

I can understand the upset but I still don't consider that bullying. The work might have been so hopeless she'd have considered anyone else to do it and was stuck 💁

Tillsforthrills · 23/09/2022 20:12

Snog · 23/09/2022 20:10

T*adara
"Never read a statement more pathetic and sad. No one is holding a gun to your head babes. You're obsessed and that's ok 😉"
*
Wow. What a mean spirited, rude and crass post.

How many times have you posted on this thread tadara and you call other posters obsessed?

You can see why she defends bullying.

ReneBumsWombats · 23/09/2022 20:13

tadara · 23/09/2022 20:12

I can understand the upset but I still don't consider that bullying. The work might have been so hopeless she'd have considered anyone else to do it and was stuck 💁

Why do you immediately reach for that as the most likely explanation? What would you do if one of your staff reported to you that this had happened in your team?

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