Why are H&M "less important" now?

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Let's not make this a bashing thread!
But in another thread yesterday it occured to me that the way I see it, I just get the sense that with the queens death they almost drop a rank. But that doesnt make sense? If anything shouldn't they now feel more important? Now that her majesty has gone it just feels like they become more distant somehow. Could it be to do with the passing of a generation, so they are no longer "the youth"?

By the way this isnt based on any facts or anything I've read, just a feeling on it. Can anyone explain? Am I right or wrong?

Also, please what's shocking about that excerpt, I'm yet to get an answer. Wanting people to do their jobs well isn't cutting it for me.

You can’t get married without a wedding license, which must state date and place. The only wedding licence was for the St George’s chapel wedding. Also, their back garden is not a wedding venue. Plus you need to have two witnesses. So it’s beyond doubt that there was ever a marriage three days before.

Regardless, a celebrant is not going to officiate at a”pretend” wedding if he knows the couple are already married. He could perform a blessing, but nothing more

she didn’t say her wedding wasn’t real - for the very good reason that it was. It’s the informal stuff three days before that cannot be a marriage, for all the reasons stated above

Why don’t you have a read of it and come to your conclusions?

or wait till Readers Digest does a précis.

People can call themselves the king and queen of China if they want. It doesn't make it true.

Marriage has a very clear legal and religious meaning. She didn't talk about a 'union'. She said 'we were married 3 days previously'. Meghan had been married, and divorced, before. She knows exactly what the word mean, and doesn't mean.

I have and found none of it shocking. Just desperation to paint M negatively. Poor Queen can't even get a proper mourning period, we're off to proper bash Meghan part 1000. How very sad.

M never said legal wedding anyway

that’s cos nobody ever talks about their “legal wedding”. Because the words “wedding” and “marriage” have a special significance in the UK, and couples must follow the law in order to be married. So it follows that “married” and “legally married” essentially mean the same thing.

she never said “illegal wedding” either, did she? But that’s what a pretend wedding that goes against the laws of England actually is. And in turn, that means it is not a marriage or wedding.

other countries have different rules. But they were in England at the time, so it is English laws that apply.

Yes, and the term marriage can be used to cover either a legal or spiritual union. You KNOW that Meghan didn't mean a legal joining as you've said, just a private moment that she and Harry got to celebrate.

I have and found none of it shocking. Just desperation to paint M negatively

why didn’t that strike you as shocking, then?

She's also American. Probably not as hung up on the term as you lot seem to be. A cute anecdote that people are striving to hold up as a monstrous diss. Welp.

Why should it have? You've managed not to tell me why YOU found it shocking.

Assuming "we got married" to mean "we got married"?

I'll take the guilt to my grave.

Although I'm not sure it was "on" the ABC. Poor man had to issue a statement after that to make it clear he hadn't carried out a false wedding ceremony. Hell, H&M had to issue a statement clarifying that the person who made the skin colour remark wasn't the Queen or Prince Philip. Apparently the revelation caused people to speculate. Who'd have thunk.

How do I know that?

I'm quoting her directly. You are the one putting words into her mouth, despite chastising others for supposedly doing the same.

There is no such thing as a 'non legal' marriage. Marriage is by definition a legal term, at least in England, which is where they were.

If it was just a 'private moment' why the need to share it with the world nearly 3 years later?

Does anyone else find it interesting that threads about William and Kate and the other royals don’t seem to gain much traction compared to those that focus on the Duke and Duchess of Sussex? If that is representative of social media and other content platforms then I think we can successfully argue against the statement concerning their importance. They seem to be quite important to a great number of people. I mean, why else would you discuss them time and time again (by choice) if they were irrelevant and unimportant to you?

LEAKED JUST AS HARRY PREDICTED. He was right to not trust these people. Look how it ended up in a book. Sickening. Who's narrating all this to Valentine Low?

I think we can successfully argue against the statement concerning their importance

I'm just waiting for a single one of them to admit their obsession. ONE. H&M live rent free.

Many people have private marriage ceremonies at home. A lot of ethnic minorities will know about this depending on culture! May not be seen as a legal ceremony in the UK and in those countries people come from - but culturally it counts. I went to one such ceremony a few months ago here in the UK, they then had a wedding as we know it in France a few months later.

I refused a cultural / private wedding for personal reasons - it's quite common.

marriage

/ˈmarɪdʒ/

1. the legally or formally recognized union of two people as partners in a personal relationship (historically and in some jurisdictions specifically a union between a man and a woman).

"a happy marriage"

1. a combination or mixture of elements.

"her music is a marriage of funk, jazz, and hip-hop"

Emphasis mine. American definition, if the spelling is anything to go by.

It was a CoE service (apparently the ABC doesn't do any other kind), so even if you try to claim that "formally recognised" is ambiguous, it wasn't formally recognised within the religion through which it was performed. It wasn't like the Hindu wedding ceremony that is binding in Hinduism but not under English law. It simply was not a marriage by any definition.

But I don't think that matters. The point was to show contempt.

I find this so heart breaking, Harry was so right not to trust William.

"Marriage" has a specific meaning for a reason. It's a contract that you've either entered or not. When marrying into the British Royal Family, the stakes are even higher than usual. Until she was married to him, she wasn't titled and any children would not be in the line of succession. That's even apart from the public funding and support and any goodwill one might expect from that.

We may wish it didn't matter but it does.

Oh my goodness - that's really shocking!

So books are ok? i can't wait to hear H's telling of it. These same folks were asking Harry to cancel his memoir.

The publication of the book has been announced for ages. Like we have been told about the unfortunate timing of Meghan and Harry’s Oprah interview, it will have been out of the author’s hands.

Oops, quoted the wrong message - I meant this one!

So has the publication of Harry's book. I can't wait to read it.

LEAKED JUST AS HARRY PREDICTED. He was right to not trust these people.

It’s not “leaking” to blow the whistle on bullying at a public organisation - it’s legally protected in law in fact to do so.

Me too. Harry was right to not trust his brother. Leaking this directly to Low was utterly cruel.