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The royal family

Why are H&M "less important" now?

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thefoggiest · 17/09/2022 09:16

Let's not make this a bashing thread!
But in another thread yesterday it occured to me that the way I see it, I just get the sense that with the queens death they almost drop a rank. But that doesnt make sense? If anything shouldn't they now feel more important? Now that her majesty has gone it just feels like they become more distant somehow. Could it be to do with the passing of a generation, so they are no longer "the youth"?

By the way this isnt based on any facts or anything I've read, just a feeling on it. Can anyone explain? Am I right or wrong?

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TheCheesecakeIsPoisoned · 22/09/2022 17:59

Do we really believe someone as dignified as HMQ would let her favourites be known?
There is a great bit in the crown where Philip asks the Queen who her favourite child is. She says she doesn’t know, he says (without pause) his is Anne Grin

Doubleraspberry · 22/09/2022 18:00

And hers was Andrew. So that was that!

The Mail has claimed at least four favourite grandchildren for her in the last fortnight. And she only had eight, so the other four must be feeling miffed.

ReneBumsWombats · 22/09/2022 18:24

TheCheesecakeIsPoisoned · 22/09/2022 17:59

Do we really believe someone as dignified as HMQ would let her favourites be known?
There is a great bit in the crown where Philip asks the Queen who her favourite child is. She says she doesn’t know, he says (without pause) his is Anne Grin

Anne is everyone's favourite.

Arbesque · 22/09/2022 20:53

ReneBumsWombats · 22/09/2022 18:24

Anne is everyone's favourite.

She actually said "who's ours?"
And he said "well I know who yours is, and mines Anne"

But the Crown is fictionalised.

TheCheesecakeIsPoisoned · 22/09/2022 21:14

Arbesque · 22/09/2022 20:53

She actually said "who's ours?"
And he said "well I know who yours is, and mines Anne"

But the Crown is fictionalised.

Really? I had no idea...

Bideshi · 22/09/2022 22:04

CatsandFish · 20/09/2022 12:42

Seriously, Harry is the son of the King. He was, when he got married, the son of the very near future King. He cannot be compared to Zara or Beatrice. There is no way the son of the near future King could have a scaled down wedding. It just was never going to be allowed and I think people are delusional if they genuinely think Harry as son of Charles can be compared to any of the other royal members further down the line. We are talking the son of Charles here. Prince Henry. Not Zara or Beatrice or Eugenie.

Meghan was a divorcée. It took string-pulling and dispensation for her to be allowed to marry in church anyway. The Queen would have been delighted had they opted for a small wedding. I think there would have been an issue if they had not wanted a religious ceremony, but a small wedding would have been fine - desirable even.They had many other options: to marry in Scotland, to have a private ceremony at Windsor as Charles and Camilla did, or to have a simpler pared-down but still public wedding. I think the Queen was quite taken aback at just how elaborate the wedding was in actual fact. As a very devout and traditional woman with the outlook of someone from a previous era, and as somebody who sees no shame in a bit of frugality, I think she would have applauded it.

It cost a lot of money, that wedding, much of it paid for by the tax payer. Pity it was regarded as a sham.

Harry's book might well be a significant nail in the coffin of the monarchy. I wonder if he's thought of the implications of being responsible in part for the demise a 1200 year old institution. They are playing with fire, I think.

Readinginthesun · 22/09/2022 22:08

Anne - daughter of the Queen - had her second wedding in Scotland. Fewer than 20 people present.
Harry had options .

Dinoteeth · 22/09/2022 22:11

Was Anne second wedding as small as that?

King Charles was high Street registrar office and a blessing at Windsor.

Harry did not need to have a huge wedding with a bunch of A list celebrities they barely knew.

Readinginthesun · 22/09/2022 22:58

Dinoteeth · 22/09/2022 22:11

Was Anne second wedding as small as that?

King Charles was high Street registrar office and a blessing at Windsor.

Harry did not need to have a huge wedding with a bunch of A list celebrities they barely knew.

Apologies I think there were 30 guests

Dinoteeth · 22/09/2022 23:06

Wow! I knew it was small by Royal standards but somehow I thought 80-100 sort of average size family wedding.

ajandjjmum · 23/09/2022 04:29

I remember reading around the time of the wedding that Harry was adamant that they wanted a wedding along the lines of Kate and William. Trouble is, no-one knows if that's fact or fiction.

TBF I think the country was (on the whole) happy to support that, which is why it was a big of a smack in the face to hear that it wasn't a proper wedding after all!!!

Snog · 23/09/2022 05:49

Yeah, way to insult 1.9 billion people who watched the wedding all in one go.
No wonder she is unpopular.

Vapeyvapevape · 23/09/2022 07:40

The wedding thing was what made me dislike her , it was the way she said it , very sneery, almost as if she was laughing and taking the piss out of the millions that watched it.

Dinoteeth · 23/09/2022 08:43

@Vapeyvapevape me too, and the nonsense about not being able to get MH support.
She and Harry were more than capable of picking up the phone and getting MH support.

Tillsforthrills · 23/09/2022 08:56

A lot of the reasons people dislike Meghan just get an instant ‘racism’ ‘hatred’ reaction on MN which is so silly and one dimensional. There are very genuine reasons people don’t like her as a person.

I feel sorry for them sometimes as they just don’t have a clue. There are people that hate them which just feels really over the top or may we’ll be racism too. But the majority dislike her based on her personality and what she says.

Dinoteeth · 23/09/2022 09:05

I think she got a lot of positive support being the first mixed race person to marry into the RF.

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JudgeRindersMinder · 23/09/2022 14:02

Tillsforthrills · 23/09/2022 08:56

A lot of the reasons people dislike Meghan just get an instant ‘racism’ ‘hatred’ reaction on MN which is so silly and one dimensional. There are very genuine reasons people don’t like her as a person.

I feel sorry for them sometimes as they just don’t have a clue. There are people that hate them which just feels really over the top or may we’ll be racism too. But the majority dislike her based on her personality and what she says.

I agree, I couldn’t care less of someone’s skin is skybluepink, I judge them on their behaviour, but too many on MN just shout RACISM if MM is criticised for any of her actions

Wheresthebeach · 23/09/2022 14:22

Dinoteeth · 23/09/2022 08:43

@Vapeyvapevape me too, and the nonsense about not being able to get MH support.
She and Harry were more than capable of picking up the phone and getting MH support.

Multi millionaires being unable, or unwilling to help themselves, and expecting other to sort out their issues is beyond irritating. They play the victim and helplessness when they've more privilege, staff and money than nearly anyone else.

Vapeyvapevape · 23/09/2022 14:33

They couldn't manage to sort out help with mental health issues but managed to sort out a move to a new country .

tadara · 23/09/2022 14:52

Vapeyvapevape · 23/09/2022 14:33

They couldn't manage to sort out help with mental health issues but managed to sort out a move to a new country .

Meghan wanted inpatient treatment though? which is why they needed the RFs help/permission. Access to therapy was never the issue, she wanted something more intense.

WinnieTheW0rm · 23/09/2022 15:34

In-patient treatment would have been possible - various of the Queen's cousins have been admitted over the years. This idea that Royals are somehow barred from receiving the therapies they need doesn't hold up. There were myriad options for diagnosis, treatment and support. We can't know why it didn't occur for her, just that it's not a fixed institutional ban

Readinginthesun · 23/09/2022 15:46

WinnieTheW0rm · 23/09/2022 15:34

In-patient treatment would have been possible - various of the Queen's cousins have been admitted over the years. This idea that Royals are somehow barred from receiving the therapies they need doesn't hold up. There were myriad options for diagnosis, treatment and support. We can't know why it didn't occur for her, just that it's not a fixed institutional ban

I am pretty sure that Princess Margaret had in- patient therapy .

DFOD · 23/09/2022 15:56

tadara · 23/09/2022 14:52

Meghan wanted inpatient treatment though? which is why they needed the RFs help/permission. Access to therapy was never the issue, she wanted something more intense.

Can you provide evidence of this or are you just speculating?

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