Why are H&M "less important" now?

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Let's not make this a bashing thread!
But in another thread yesterday it occured to me that the way I see it, I just get the sense that with the queens death they almost drop a rank. But that doesnt make sense? If anything shouldn't they now feel more important? Now that her majesty has gone it just feels like they become more distant somehow. Could it be to do with the passing of a generation, so they are no longer "the youth"?

By the way this isnt based on any facts or anything I've read, just a feeling on it. Can anyone explain? Am I right or wrong?

It's just cultural ignorance

it was explained several times yesterday that the cultural ignorance is in claiming to have a secret wedding in the UK with only three people present and without a license.

because that is ignoring the laws that apply - in this case, the laws of England and the Church of England.

Ignoring the laws and customs of the country you are residing in and getting married is the clearest possible example of cultural ignorance.

these threads are like groundhog day. back to the wedding/or not weeding and MO being mentioned again.
so nothing new, just rehash old news.

I liked all the geeky discussion about the line of succession better.

Samcro "these threads are like groundhog day. back to the wedding/or not weeding and MO being mentioned again.
so nothing new, just rehash old news."

Why do you obsessively join in with them then?

I don't think its for anyone ignorant of African or African-American culture to judge whether its part of those cultures or not - especially because it doesn't align to preconceived notions to what that might be!

It smacks of racism to me. You really can't make such judgements when you no nothing of such heritage.

@GobbolinoTheWitchesCat I imagine that if this was the case Meghan would have said so. Why would she not?

Why does she have to?

But she was in England, marrying a prince of the United Kingdom, with the 'ceremony' officiated by the Archbishop of Canterbury.

There's a very clear legal and religious definition of what 'getting married' means in this context, and 'vows' in the back garden aren't it. Surely it was up to her to familiarise herself with the culture in which she made the active choice to live? Not that I believe any of this is down to some 'cultural misunderstanding'. She lied.

It smacks of racism to me. You really can't make such judgements when you no nothing of such heritage

what is your opinion on claiming something happened in country A that goes directly against the laws and customs of a country?

it shows the person making these statements knows nothing of the heritage of country A, right? Or that they don’t care about them and feel their heritage takes precedence, even when in another country.

especially when that claim, if true, would mean a senior official in country A acted in defiance of the law.

@GobbolinoTheWitchesCat of course she doesn't have to but why would she not clear up a simple misunderstanding that has resulted in a lot of very damaging and negative publicity.
That's why I don't believe it was a misunderstanding.

Unless M views all publicity as good publicity of course which also seems plausible.

Me too. I also find it credible that Harry perhaps didn't/doesn't understand all the rules around titles and succession.

His Grandmother had a phenomenal grasp of detail and history. Harry doesn't and other people did his homework for him. He probably didn't stop and think about titles at all when he was 3rd top dog.

I can completely believe that his children not automatically being styled HRH prince and princess was a surprise and a shock to him.

Because I can

@Samcro ok, good to know you're not presuming to take any higher ground here.

Also, what are your thoughts on the wedding lie?

Old news

Samcro the best news

You're tying yourself in knots here with all that gobbledygook!

Hardly.

It smacks of racism to me. You really can't make such judgements when you no nothing of such heritage.

I think the accusation can be made in reverse. Meghan Markle is an American woman. One of mixed race. But a woman born to two American parents (both of whom were born and raised in the US). Why would you make the assumption that she would follow African cultural norms rather than American ones?

(Had she described a ceremony traditional in African culture which had taken place, then you would have a point. I have a friend of Indian heritage who married a Catholic Englishman and she had a ceremony from her Hindu heritage which was more meaningful to her than the RC church wedding they went on to have. But - almost by definition - anything involving the Archbishop of Canterbury in a ceremonial role is going to be firmly mired in the tradition of the Church of England.)

Is it a custom in African-American culture to have an informal exchange of vows before the legal ceremony?

But this was officiated by the ABC, so what could it be but CoE?

My understanding was that most cultures that do that do it because their religious ceremony isn't legally binding. It's not a "vow exchange", it's their religious wedding ceremony. And they usually have the legal ceremony first, more privately and hold the religious one later with the big party, because that's the part that holds the personal significance.

I hear her being called intelligent or brainy all the time but am I the only one who thinks she isn't? If she was she wouldn't keep saying things that can be easily proved to be not the case.

Before, William and Harry were more equal, both sons of the heir apparent, yes William has always been higher in the line of succession but he's now the heir apparent, their lives and roles are vastly different now.

Can you post a link to this African American tradition of getting married 3 days before the actual ceremony?

I hear her being called intelligent or brainy all the time but am I the only one who thinks she isn't? If she was she wouldn't keep saying things that can be easily proved to be not the case.

I think she is intelligent but neither of them have much, if any, self awareness and that's going to be problematic, especially if you want your focus to be on charity work/philanthropy. They are likely going to keep tripping themselves up.

She's obviously not stupid, since she got a degree from a very good university.

But I agree that she's not especially intelligent. The blog she ran for years seemed pretty vapid, and for all she goes on about the importance of using 'her voice' she really doesn't seem to have strong opinions on anything other than herself. And to be perfectly frank, if she were highly intelligent, it's hard to see how she would have chosen to be with Harry.

But I agree with the poster above that her real problem isn't a lack of intelligence but rather a complete lack of self awareness.

GobbolinoTheWitchesCat · Today 17:18
BadgerB · Today 13:23
And they had an informal ceremony 3 days before, in some cultures like some African Americans they perform a non-binding ceremony first, before the legal one, and often consider the first one the real one
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If Meghan was celebrating her African/American culture they could have had a ceremony for that 3 days before the wedding. BUT the Archbishop of Canterbury to perform it?! Impossible. And wouldn't they have wanted/needed a celebrant from an African background? It was just a lie - again
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I don't think its for anyone ignorant of African or African-American culture to judge whether its part of those cultures or not - especially because it doesn't align to preconceived notions to what that might be!
It smacks of racism to me. You really can't make such judgements when you no nothing of such heritage.

And you know my nationality/culture/heritage exactly how? I still claim that the idea of the Archbishop performing any such ceremony is ludicrous.