Why are H&M "less important" now?

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Let's not make this a bashing thread!
But in another thread yesterday it occured to me that the way I see it, I just get the sense that with the queens death they almost drop a rank. But that doesnt make sense? If anything shouldn't they now feel more important? Now that her majesty has gone it just feels like they become more distant somehow. Could it be to do with the passing of a generation, so they are no longer "the youth"?

By the way this isnt based on any facts or anything I've read, just a feeling on it. Can anyone explain? Am I right or wrong?

Thanks for the clarification

All Church of England weddings require witnesses

This gets more and more interesting! Presumably he’d have to register it with the appropriate authorities, though - and, as others have said, had the requisite number of witnesses?

you can find H&Ms marriage license online. It clearly states St George’s Chapel as the venue.

all marriage certificates must be recorded, as they are a matter of public record.

Link to the Special marriage license for H&M

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It was just a straight up lie. I think even Harry knew it, the moment the words were said.
She lied, and she can't unlie it.

I asked that because in her revelation, Meghan said it had been just the three of them and in their back garden. That was the clue that they hadn't actually got married, however personally significant it was to them.

I missed it when I first saw it, though. I was too busy thinking, "You did what? So what we saw was just a load of guff with no legal significance? You were already a princess and a duchess?"

Maybe she’d read too much Georgette Heyer! Back in Regency times a Special Licence from the Archbishop of Canterbury allowed a couple to marry in any location and at any time.

I’ve just reread the bullying accusations made against Meghan. Do people think those accusations are true? From the way the email is written and the content of it, it really sounds like they are. But having then read Meghan’s rebuttal I wasn’t so sure. I wonder why the outcome of the inquiry into the claims was never made public? Or might it still be?

Yes, that license was required as the marriage was in a Royal Peculiar.

It would however have been possible to have been married by the Archbish under a different special license, which is why it was necessary for him to state publicly, after the story of being married by him gained currency, that no such thing ever happened and that the version in the public record was the sole and true one.

He should never have been put in that position. No-one else could have been put in that position, as no-one else in England can grant CofE licenses. That is an important cultural, religious and legal point in England.

(Absence of a mention of witnesses in the account that gained currency, is another pointer to it being a load of tosh within the framework of the CofE (but it's not impossible other people were around)0.

So there was a special marriage license
it stated St George’s Chapel
the marriage took place there, and was duly witnessed
the marriage certificate was recorded
the Archbishop of Canterbury said I signed the wedding certificate, which is a legal document, and I would have committed a serious criminal offense if I signed it knowing it was false

Yes I know it's about Meghan because heaven help we don't blame women for everything short of kidnapping a man at gunpoint and blaming her for him leaving the UK.

I don't know what you mean but handing out stuff, but it's well known she's a very hard worker and in fact was chastised for wanting to do too much including sending emails outside The Firm's work hours.

the Bible does indeed say many things. Including honour thy father and mother. They aren’t doing so well on that front, are they?

Would you say that to those on the Stately Homes threads? Or those in AIBU who have to go NC with toxic parents? Or is your irrational hatred clouding your judgement and making you blame them for absolutely everything.

I don't know. As much as she and Harry annoy me these days, I don't get the impression that either of them are bullies, although of course I wouldn't know. I think it's quite possible that there might be a culture clash in there. She might speak in a way that's absolutely normal in the US but comes over a bit brash and demanding in the royal houses. And customer service is quite effusive in the US, so if Palace staff are more reserved, it might have come across to her as unfriendly and unwelcoming.

Again, people refer to vow exchanges as a wedding. It being legal or not is not relevant. It's just cultural ignorance.

It's really not

That's entirely possible, but it cuts both ways. I know we are two nations divided by a common language but she was marrying into the British Royal Family, with all the pomp and ceremony of a royal wedding, initially with the intention of living and working here as a royal. Given that over here, a marriage means, well, a marriage, it was daft at best to declare that they had got married three days beforehand.

Her delivery was clearly intended to suggest it was significant and it forced the ABC to provide a clarification because her words suggested that he had done something illegal. That's not a good move.

I find it amazing that PP can come up with this explanation on behalf of M&H - have you cleared this with them?

Maybe they can answer for themselves and explain ….. oh wait …. they haven’t - I wonder why not…?

I expect when they split Harry will come blurting back to the UK with all sorts of explanations and grievances.

I wish people would stop using the 'it's because she's American/Black' excuses. When you think of the respect and affection and esteem that Michelle Obama rightly holds in the UK, it's ridiculous.

@RoseAndRose
You clearly know your stuff on marriage licences. I'm confused by the Church issuing the licence.

In Scotland you collect it from the Registar, take it to the church / venue, have wedding, minister, B&G, and 2 witnesses sign it. Then return it to the Registrar within 3 days.

Is that different to England?

She didn't say 'wedding'.

She said, "You know, three days before our wedding we got married."

"Getting married" has a very clear, unambiguous legal and religious meaning. It's pretty much the same both sides of the Atlantic.

She lied.

It doesn't matter how much you tie yourself up in knots pretending otherwise, or how much mud you try to slin at those pointing out the obvious. She lied.

I agree with pp it’s the way it was expressed that was part of the problem. If she had said, oh by the way we also did a blessing just us two with the AoC, it felt important that we had something just for the two of us in private, as well as the big wedding, then it could have been a little insight and unlikely to cause much of a stir. But to imply she didn’t want or enjoy the “spectacle” is disingenuous. I remember hearing “what Meghan wants, Meghan gets” as being issued by Harry around that time.

I remember lots of people being unexpectedly moved by the wedding - Charles walking her down the aisle, the music, how happy they looked etc.

Interesting to see that Ben Goldsmith has weighed in on the Meghan Markle bullying accusations. I've followed him on Twitter for years and he usually posts about environmental issues and wildlife so this is quite the thematic departure.

I assume that like many people, he is simply fed up with the concerted efforts to attribute all criticisms of MM to 'racism' and to cast Britain as a racist country - completely overlooking the impact of her bullying, manipulation and endless lies.

One thing is certain - Ben Goldsmith is extremely credible and well connected and if he says that he personally knows two people Meghan has bullied (in a now-deleted tweet) I absolutely believe him.

Reminds me a bit of another very credible and well-connected person (Alexandra Tolstoy) who shared an account a couple of years ago from a friend who witnessed MM's nasty behavior at the bridesmaid's fitting (leading to the famous "crying" incident).

Plenty have people have been holding their tongues & Meghan isn't the only one with an interesting story to tell

This was Michelle Obama’s take on H&M / OW interview and her advice on the family racism issue. V wise woman - who gave v sage and gracious advice at the time. Shame she wasn’t listened to as could have saved a lot of hurt for all of them.

“The thing that I always keep in mind is that none of this is about us in public service - it’s about the people that we serve. I always try to push the light back out and focus it on the folks that we are actually here to serve

Race is not a new construct in this world for people of colour so it wasn’t a complete surprise to hear her feelings and have them articulated

The thing that I hope for and the thing that I think about is that this first and foremost is a family and I pray for forgiveness and healing for them that they can use this as a teachable moment for us all.”

This is from a video link I posted earlier

Yawn! Yawn! Yawn!

making you blame them for absolutely everything

nope, I’m noting their actions and commenting on them