Why are H&M "less important" now?

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Let's not make this a bashing thread!
But in another thread yesterday it occured to me that the way I see it, I just get the sense that with the queens death they almost drop a rank. But that doesnt make sense? If anything shouldn't they now feel more important? Now that her majesty has gone it just feels like they become more distant somehow. Could it be to do with the passing of a generation, so they are no longer "the youth"?

By the way this isnt based on any facts or anything I've read, just a feeling on it. Can anyone explain? Am I right or wrong?

Maybe that funeral and the lead up showed her what she had taken on, and she knows she's beat.

And yet, that is what Prince Edward, son of the Queen, did.

he and Sophie got married without any ceremonial or military involvement., in a scaled down wedding.

and guess what? Harry was there.

if it was okay for the son of a Reigning Queen, it was fine for the son of the Prince of Wales.

@strawberriesarenot Remember trust has gone, he might arrange to meet her with William or Camilla as witness.

How even more weird would that be for Harry. Your wife, having a meeting with your Dad and Stepmum. Like the naughty school boy who needs discussed

If you ask me, she's very sensibly got CIII over a barrel now. EIther peace and an allowance, or blackmail and a fortune... Clever old Megs. Doubly intelligent to demand it's one to one.

Making demand of grieving family members gives the upper hand?

He's just buried his mother - gone up and down the country and with admin and staff changes with new role has probably never been busier he's also probably never had such public support and sympathy- - demanding meetings already looks bad.

I did wonder why all the HRH stuff was coming out - they do look petulant wanting and not wanting titles - I expect that's in response to these demands - it it leaks they made money demands I don't think it would go down well with any audience especially as they have publicly criticized them.

Oprah distancing herself from them - and that was before the Queens death who it's reported they failed to see when alive.

This is why they need professional PR people because that's what the palace has.

@TrashyPanda was it Edward who had a late afternoon wedding with everyone in evening wear?

Honestly I don't believe Harry and Meghan want anything smaller than they got.

I agree. Especially if you live on another continent - surely you would take time to visit your ill, frail, failing 96 year old adored grandmother when you were in town.

Either:

they were not welcome by HMQ
the firm or the family kept them away
H&M didn’t want to go

Its all v odd.

I wonder if there was some sort of conditions for a visit? Edit the book?

King Charles would be absolutely mad to have a one on one with her. She could say he said all sorts of things if she didn't get her way.

The fact is as Heir to the throne and as the son of the (future) King, it's pretty clear he would not have been able or have a small wedding

Harry was never heir to the throne.

he could have had a wedding like his uncle Edward.
or a very small and intimate wedding one like his Aunt Anne, at Cathie Kirk.

two children of a reigning monarch.

Is 5th in line not considered an heir anymore?

no and never has been.
the heir to the throne is the heir to the throne.
the definite article is used to denote there is only one.

Obvs.

Poor Harry, jiggling on the mat outside, waiting to hear what Papa said, and did he sound cross and who mentioned money first, and if he really doesn't want Balmoral, can we have it, did you ask, Megs? Oh do go back and ask..

@LovingTheseAutumnSnippets I'd agree, at best it will be KC and Camilla more likely William.

But can you imagine Harry, your wife and dad talking about you like a child.

Perhaps he was worried his family would cut him off and make things hard for him and Meghan (he hadn't planned on leaving the RF at that point) and he wouldn't have wanted to go against his grandmother's orders

but he knew they were absolutely fine with not having weddings full of pomp and ceremony, both for his aunt and uncle and his cousin Zara. Why on Earth would Harry be any different?

I know the primary reason for the wedding in Scotland was because they were both divorced

it was Tim’s first marriage.

Thanks.

Reinforces my point then. Anne was divorced and so was Meghan, but their husbands were getting married for the first time. So a similar situation from that point of view.

Harry and Meghan could definitely have had a quiet wedding had they wanted. But they didn't want.

We didn't see inside the church at Crathie, for Ann, nor Charles registery office, nor Zara or Peter, or later Beas.

Meghan and Harry wanted the big wedding or it just wouldn't have happened. She could easily have said divorcee, little family to invite.

And then after the wedding, the press were given access to see Meghan in her second wedding dress, getting into a sports car with Harry to go to a reception party at Frogmore House.

that could have been kept entirely private, had they wished to do so. But they didn’t.

i can’t see the Queen insisting on two dresses somehow.

I just rewatched the moment where Meghan revealed the secret ceremony three days before the wedding.

She says: "Three days before our wedding, we got married", then pauses and gestures for proper dramatic effect. It may be because I'm British that when someone says they got married, I think they mean they got married, but it really does look pretty definite to me and she clearly expected a gasp of shock for the significant of the revelation. I guess the clue is that she goes on to say it was just the three of them (the couple and the Archbishop), so it couldn't be a wedding without witnesses and I guess their back garden wasn't licenced....but it's clear what she wanted people to think.

Then to go into "people don't know that!" as if it's somehow on the public that it didn't know something they deliberately kept secret.

It's extremely annoying and the more I see it, the more contemptuous it seems. I used to really like Meghan and Harry but jeez, they just made it too difficult.

Absolutely this. Harry was always set to become a much more minor member in the royal family. The queens father had two younger brothers (I think he had three but one died in his teens) but most members of the public really only remember her father and the brother who abdicated. Harry would eventually always have been overshadowed by George and his siblings.

That Stella McCartney reception dress was fantastic. Maybe her best look ever. So much better than the poorly fitting dress she wore for her actual wedding. Oh wait, I don't know what she wore for her actual wedding because only she, Harry and the Archbishop were present.

That would be the same Meryl Streep who has won three Oscars and numerous other awards for acting, and who worked most of the great actors?

and Meghan Markle, who has never given any indication she is not brimming with confidence, but who didn’t get any award nominations during her time on Suits?

they aren’t comparable in any way

I'm not willing to believe tabloid gossip about Meghan demanding a one to one with The King.

To be fair if there is one person in the UK you can't demand anything from it's the monarch 😂

And who knows maybe Charlie does genuinely want a family meeting with them before they return to the USA to wish them well 🤷🏻‍♀️

If it had all been on HMQ’s orders, I can’t believe that she’d have had George Clooney in the best seats

id have had sitting next to me.

or, if I was slimmer, I’d have been sitting on his knee.

I think you have me there.

Well, then, if other cash extraction methods fail, I suppose it'll have to be writing children's books. Other celebs do. She could work The Bench into a series (The Rattan Outdoor Dining Chair, The Porch Rocker, The Window Seat, A Couch in a Palace, Footstool Tales, The Seat Beside the Throne..)

The glamorous society uncle (Duke of Kent) was killed in the war, so we'll never know whether he would have remained on the scene for longer I suppose. Most likely he'd have got involved in some level of scandal in the post-war era which would have ensured some notoriety! The other one was always dull and didn't want the limelight.

Wow.

that comes across as really gleeful to a man who has only just buried his mother and is visibly grieving. Plus he has had an exhausting round of visits since her death