Feel sorry for Harry walking behind the Queens coffin

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It must be very triggering for him, i feel for him.

Certainly not extremely rich coming from me, I’ve said nothing derogatory about any royals.

Bit of advice: report anything you think is “utter filth”.

ah, it was the "gorilla" jibe

There is a bit more about it here:

royalcentral.co.uk/uk/queen/the-queen-calls-us-ambassador-a-gorilla-in-banned-1969-royal-family-documentary-155160/

@Meanderings It was not about a 'black government official' but the then US ambassador, Walter Annenberg, who is white. HTH

Yeah me too. The faux grieving from the general public was disgusting.

I think that had Diana lived she would have continued to make bad choices and the public would have fallen out of love.

Two young boys is the point. Why the hand ringing for Harry but not William?

Surely today would trigger William too

Still no response from certain posters on racial comments made by PH so, I take it we are happy to sweep that racism under the carpet (because we like him) but we are going to hold other members of the same family to a different set of standards because we don't like them?

That's progress

Thanks for the link. The video didn’t work but I read the article @StormzyinaTCup posted.

So in answer to your question, no, the Queen did not call a black gov official a chimp, or indeed a gorilla.

Harry however did call a fellow army cadet “a little pa*i” and another “raghead”.

The bile against Harry and Megan for holding hands in a time of grief, when Zara and her husband did exactly the same with no criticism is utterly disgusting. And undoubtably, in many cases, racist.

What have we become when we criticise a gesture of kindness at a time of such loss?

Here is Walter Annenberg for anyone interested:

Any racism is wrong, doesn’t matter who it is.

But people were very quickly shut down for bringing up Philips racism after he died when explaining why they didn’t like him. They were told that it wasn’t the time and to be respectful. Not sure why. I know because I had a comment deleted before the whole thread was deleted in the end.

Racism should be spoken about, people should be held accountable, regardless of the timing.

Harry said/did some questionable things when he was younger. I think he should have addressed them properly and apologised. At least he seems to have learned and changed. Philip continued through his life, no lessons learned seemingly.

@MarilynsDresses Agreed. That's why Harry needs to acknowledge his racism.

Philip was from a time when racism was more prevalent and that was wrong, but contextually influenced. Not so with Harry, and to be fair, we don't know that he's changed either really. If you look into colourism, he could still be viewed as racist.

Im glad these people are so transparent in their hypocrisy because it shows regardless of how M & H act they can never do right. I can just dismiss these people because they don’t have valid arguments.

No, the ‘from another time‘ doesn’t wash. He had more opportunity than most to see why racism is wrong, the people he met, all the travel. There is no excuse. Ever. For anyone. I have elderly relatives, they have listened and learnt. No excuses for anyone.

And racism is prevalent in the army. So if you’re going to excuse Philip because he was from a time where racism was prevalent, you should excuse Harry for being exposed to racism both within the army and from being exposed to his grandfathers racism.

I don’t excuse it for anyone.

I did not say it excused it. It gave context. Harry's context was different and we have no more evidence that he has learned than we did for the DOE

If Harry had learned he would acknowledge it when speaking to others to help them learn and make his message more meaningful.

Harry was exposed to a racist grandfather. But you don’t think this is ‘context’ for why he may have displayed racist behaviour?

I think he should address it, especially that his wife and child have been the victims of racism. I think it would be the right thing to do and also would do much good all round.

But, the fact we hear him speaking out against racism now, has married a black woman and isn’t saying racist shot, is enough evidence for me that he has listened and learned and does not hold racist beliefs now.

Philip didn’t seem to learn.

No. William and the others have not done the same, so again why does Harry get a free pass cos he was a 12 year old 25 years ago, yes I know He was an adult in all of the racist incidents

But you are giving a free pass to Philip due to being from a different time. There are many older people that have never held racist views or learnt that it was wrong and changed. There are no real excuses for anyone.

@MarilynsDresses He could still be racist, if you look into the history of colourism and numerous articles