Harry should be allowed to wear military uniform

[AliceMcK]

Regardless of what anyone thinks of him or him no longer being a senior working Royal he should be fully entitled to wear his military uniform. He fought on the front line, he’d would have stayed in the army if the press hadn’t put him and other soldiers at risk, he has done so much for veterans, far more than anyone else in the royal family. His military uniform was earned not bestowed on him as an honorary title, yet he’s not allowed to wear it to his grandmothers funeral.

You've never heard of Robert Preston ?

He's a shit stirrer

No , why would I ?

No reason.

He's just a well established mainstream news editor

You're basically right.

The Act does however does have provision to remove the role from an eligible person if they are resident overseas.

But I can't see them removing Harry and leaving Andrew

And they've been managing just fine with only two effectively in the role for the late Queen (the four were C, W, H, A; but only C and W did Stuff) so it might not be seen as urgent.

If Andrew ever had the good sense to voluntarily relinquish the role, then perhaps they would promote the next two (Eugenie and Edward)

Yeah, he's just the political editor of ITV News with his own TV show(s), no-one of any note at all

So it's true .
I thought so .

This will have legs

Wonderful

I don't think it will have legs. Andrew is in the same position (counsellor of state) that he was last week when the queen was alive. If people weren't bothered then, I don't see why they'd be bothered now.

My understanding is that retiring from the military (which Andrew did) allows you to wear your uniform in some circumstances but resigning from the military (which Harry did, as I believe he didn’t have enough years of service to be able to retire) means that you are not allowed. This applies to everyone in the armed forces I believe. When they both had honorary titles as senior working members of the royal family it never came up as an issue but now they both are no longer senior working members it has created a situation where Andrew is able to and Harry isn’t… which comes across badly if you don’t know that a distinction is made for everyone in the armed forces depending on where they resign or retire. I suspect most press people know this and Harry & Andrew certainly will but it makes for better stirring gossip for the press to not make this clear. Harry could have also made this clear in his statement but chose not to.

The queens presence seemed to let a lot of things slide

That's all gone now

If Andrew ever had the good sense to voluntarily relinquish the role

I suspect he's been asked and told everyone to fuck off (yes, that's the sort of language he uses)

Did Harry really leave the army as a Captain? I'm reading sources saying Major and Squadron Leader.

I agree. This is not new. Andrew has had this role for years already under the Queens reign. It didn't have legs then.

Robert Peston is being clickbaity on this as it insinuates this is new or something Charles has done on becoming King. The Counsellor of State role is, like the line of succession, a legal matter that comes under the Regency Act.

Of course it could be changed moving forward, but to claim that Charles has newly ordered this, and as a rehabilitation act for Andrew's benefit, is false.

I think Andrew is a bit more than sleazy. He has quite literally fucked young girls 🙄🙄

The queens presence seemed to let a lot of things slide

That's all gone now

I'm certainly not defending Andrew - and I'd actually be in favour of abolishing the monarchy altogether. I'm just not sure that there is actually anything Charles can do about this, without an act of parliament removing Andrew from the line of succession. That doesn't mean I think it's ok, but I also don't think there's much chance that Andrew will actually be given the responsibility.

No
The point is having to have a act of parliament to remove an unsuitable royal highlights the ridiculousness of the UKs constitutional position

When it's going through parliament it will spark lots of debate

People were sleeping during Elizabeth's reign . They are waking up

Did Harry really leave the army as a Captain? I'm reading sources saying Major and Squadron Leader.

Splutter......He sure as heck didn't leave the army as a Squadron Leader...😱

AFAIK he left the army as a captain (Army version - junior officer rank - not the more senior Navy version thereof)...

Yes, many people don't know that the armed forces branches themselves have a senior listing.

It is

The Navy (always outranks anyone if the same commission, also rank structure is different.)
The Army (always outranks the RAF if the same commission)
The RAF (The jnr service)

It's confusing 🤣

I can't remember if he was made up to Major before he left, but that's still one rank lower than Lt Col

Directly from the official Royal Family website:

"Prince Harry served in the Army for ten years, rising to the rank of Captain and undertaking two tours of Afghanistan. He continues to work in support of his fellow servicemen, promoting support for wounded men and women as they adapt to life post-injury."

He is no more entitled to wear full military dress than any ex-army veteran. They can wear their medals, of course, and he can too. He doesn’t have a military role anymore. The uniform is not kept as a memento of your time in the armed forces.

I know - it's confusing. His Wiki page (yes, I know ...) is suggesting his final role(s) in the miitary were as an army major and RAF squadron leader at the same time; and I'm seeing other sources saying this too. Then he resigned. So these wouldn't have been honorary roles presumably?

I don't know. It's a mystery to me. Anyway as pp says, being a major isn't enough to get the uniform perks after leaving. So no uniform for Harry at the funeral unless the Queen specified it or Charles orders it. And she didn't and he hasn't.

Here's Harry's statement [released early yesterday] on the matter, he's made his peace with it. I do find it quite problematic that Prince Andrew gets an exception to wear his during the final vigil but it is what it is.

“[Prince Harry] will wear a morning suit throughout events honouring his grandmother. His decade of military service is not determined by the uniform he wears and we respectfully ask that focus remain on the life and legacy of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II.”

The point is having to have a act of parliament to remove an unsuitable royal highlights the ridiculousness of the UKs constitutional position

When it's going through parliament it will spark lots of debate

I agree. Although I think to say "when it's going through parliament" is overly optimistic, I don't think it will happen. I'd happily be wrong about that.

Ah ha! Found it. Mea culpa.

britishheritage.com/royals/what-military-ranks-royal-family

Harry's Squadron Leader and Major ranks were in fact honorary.

Right I could have plucked this fact out of my memory incorrectly.

But when Harry left active service, as the benefit of still being associated with the armed forces, it's routine and its structure actually helped Harry, he was a bit of a lost soul without it all, he was made/given a ceremonial role I think which led those or similar ranks major and above, he was going to support the crown with being in charge of ceremonial events and organising them. Think trooping of the colour, jubilees and so on.

But when he resigned as a senior royal this honorary position had to go with it, along the others like The Royal Marines and stuff.

Again I could have plucked that out of my memory completely arse backwards so please don't take it as fact 😳

I dont understand the confusion here.

Harry isnt a member of the army anymore.

So he wont be wearing army uniform.