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Harry should be allowed to wear military uniform

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AliceMcK · 13/09/2022 23:08

Regardless of what anyone thinks of him or him no longer being a senior working Royal he should be fully entitled to wear his military uniform. He fought on the front line, he’d would have stayed in the army if the press hadn’t put him and other soldiers at risk, he has done so much for veterans, far more than anyone else in the royal family. His military uniform was earned not bestowed on him as an honorary title, yet he’s not allowed to wear it to his grandmothers funeral.

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notimagain · 14/09/2022 09:26

Novella4 · 14/09/2022 09:23

Off topic but is it true that Charles has appointed Andrew to step in if he Charles ,
is incapacitated??

No doubt 'line of succession ' 'protocol' blah blah
They've had years to prepare .
Who on earth is advising them

And the source for that is?

LillianGish · 14/09/2022 09:26

Nobody forced Harry to quit the RF - he went of his own free will. The Queen even left the door open for him to come back after a trial run of a year - he chose not to. As the grandson (and now the son) of the monarch it was very much a pro-active choice on his part (not like stripping Fergie of her HRH for instance which she only acquired through marriage). The Queen was very clear - either you're in or you're out - you can't cherry pick the bits you like. Frankly after all Harry has had to say about the PTSD he suffered as a result of being forced to follow his mother's coffin and being triggered by flashbulbs and the sound horses hooves on cobbles, I'm surprised he's following the coffin at all. Yes he's lost his grandmother - I get that, but I'd be more sympathetic if he'd been over this summer visiting her at Balmoral rather than staging an alternative royal tour. The Queen's funeral is a state occasion, but it's also a family funeral. Harry should be there as a private individual which is what he claims wants to be.

QuebecBagnet · 14/09/2022 09:26

Andrew I believe still has an honorary title nit taken away from him so rightly or wrongly is entitled to wear uniform.

harry has no honorary titles.

no ex military person is allowed to wear uniform without specific permission. So his service record is irrelevant and as a non royal needs to abide by the rules others do. And stop whinging.

Wouldloveanother · 14/09/2022 09:27

nocoolnamesleft · 13/09/2022 23:12

I would have no problem with him wearing the uniform with the rank he achieved and the medals he earned. What he should not get to do is waltz around in a fancy gold braided uniform he only received for being a working royal, which he no longer is.

This.

He needs to stop putting out snotty, jibe-y statements. He just comes across as a petulant man-child.

Novella4 · 14/09/2022 09:27

@notimagain

Robert Peston's Twitter

Unless it's a parody account

The whole royal family is a parody these days so who knows

LBFseBrom · 14/09/2022 09:28

Yes there is no reason why he should not wear his military uniform.

Novella4 · 14/09/2022 09:29

It's got the blue tick , looks real to me

SpinCityBlues · 14/09/2022 09:29

I think there could only be a regency arrangement set up like that with the Duke of York running things if the heir, William, was under age. And the Prince of Wales is a 40 year old man fortunately. So I think and hope it's a parody.

Novella4 · 14/09/2022 09:33

No it's real

Andrew is a counsellor of state .
There are 5 . Not that that will help reduce the scandal .
Andrew steps in when Charles is out of the country or incapacitated

So they ARE trying to rehabilitate him. 'Just for the funeral ' is nonsense

BonesOfWhatYouBelieve · 14/09/2022 09:34

Novella4 · 14/09/2022 09:23

Off topic but is it true that Charles has appointed Andrew to step in if he Charles ,
is incapacitated??

No doubt 'line of succession ' 'protocol' blah blah
They've had years to prepare .
Who on earth is advising them

Andrew is a counsellor of state I guess, and they can take over certain duties if the monarch is unavailable.
I believe by law the only people eligible to be a counsellor of state are the monarch's spouse plus the next 4 in line over the age of 21 (so Camilla, William, Harry, Andrew, Beatrice). I can't imagine Andrew would actually be put in charge of things, surely it would be William mainly, with support from Camilla. Harry would have to fly to the UK to do it I think.

I believe only an act of parliament can remove someone from the line of succession, and since that hasn't happened, Andrew is still there.

I think this is right, someone more knowledgeable may correct parts of it though!

jeffgoldblum · 14/09/2022 09:34

Charles hates Andrew and has for years ! , this is rubbish, this protocol only happens if the next in line is underage and William is not!

Novella4 · 14/09/2022 09:35

@jeffgoldblum tell that to Robert Preston

notimagain · 14/09/2022 09:37

Novella4 · 14/09/2022 09:27

@notimagain

Robert Peston's Twitter

Unless it's a parody account

The whole royal family is a parody these days so who knows

Thanks...

jeffgoldblum · 14/09/2022 09:37

Why? Never heard of him, he's no one in the know , just someone stirring the pot !

Martinisarebetterdirty · 14/09/2022 09:37

It’s not a parody. The next five people in the line of succession over 21 have the ability to stand in for the King, not become King. This is why we’ve seen all the press reports around Princess Beatrice being able to, but it doesn’t mean they will be called upon. Andrew is still in the line of succession and is therefore included in this.

Martinisarebetterdirty · 14/09/2022 09:38

Sorry - x post with @BonesOfWhatYouBelieve !

BonesOfWhatYouBelieve · 14/09/2022 09:38

jeffgoldblum · 14/09/2022 09:37

Why? Never heard of him, he's no one in the know , just someone stirring the pot !

Robert Peston?

Fluffymule · 14/09/2022 09:40

I can't see that Harry would be bothered. He wanted out of the RF and agreed to the terms of his exit, which included foregoing the 'privilege' of honorary military titles and wearing ceremonial uniform at events like the others.

As an ex soldier he is aware you can't wear your previous uniform once you leave at his rank (Captain) too.

So, not a member of the 'working royals' means no ceremonial uniform, and as an ex-serving Captain means no veterans uniform - like everyone else.

He knew what he agreed to, he wanted out and is clearly glad to be out. So I'm sure he doesn't really care. Like Peter Phillips, Zara, Beatrice and all the other grandchildren he'll be there in purely a family capacity to mourn his grandmother which is the important part.

UnmentionedElephantDildo · 14/09/2022 09:40

Robert Peston gets things badly wrong sometimes.

I remember during covid when he was put straight (very politely) by a consultant, who knew he's utterly got the wrong end of the stick about the difference between testing for previous infection v testing for current infection.

I've not taken him as reliable since, especially when he's off-topic

BonesOfWhatYouBelieve · 14/09/2022 09:41

I think Peston's tweet is phrased in a slightly click bait-y way, suggesting Andrew alone will be put in charge.

mpsw · 14/09/2022 09:42

As an ex soldier he is aware you can't wear your previous uniform once you leave at his rank (Captain) too

It's Lt Col (and equivalents) and above. Captain is 2 ranks lower (Naval Captain is higher, which might cause the confusion)

jeffgoldblum · 14/09/2022 09:43

I've googled him , he's a journalist, still doesn't mean he's not stirring the pot! , the protocol was the same for the queen, didn't happen then won't happen now !

mpsw · 14/09/2022 09:43

mpsw · 14/09/2022 09:42

As an ex soldier he is aware you can't wear your previous uniform once you leave at his rank (Captain) too

It's Lt Col (and equivalents) and above. Captain is 2 ranks lower (Naval Captain is higher, which might cause the confusion)

Sorry ignore my utterly useless post - I misread yours!

('can' for 'can't')

Novella4 · 14/09/2022 09:43

Martinisarebetterdirty · 14/09/2022 09:37

It’s not a parody. The next five people in the line of succession over 21 have the ability to stand in for the King, not become King. This is why we’ve seen all the press reports around Princess Beatrice being able to, but it doesn’t mean they will be called upon. Andrew is still in the line of succession and is therefore included in this.

So it's true .
I thought so .

This will have legs

Wonderful

SpinCityBlues · 14/09/2022 09:44

I'd forgotten about the 'counsellors of state' malarkey. I would hope that Camilla and William (and Harry) will step in long before Andrew and his gullible daughter get a sniff, or the monarchy will actually face the kind of unpopularity that will finish it.

Some of these decisions are really damaging for the institution. Andrew can't just 'sit it out' for a bit and glide back in - he needs to be told by Charles that he's finished. Surely Charles has 'had words'?

Andrew's refusing to step back, isn't he?