What now for M&H

[OliviaBean]

I find the whole family and royal family (The Firm) aspect of Megxit very interesting.

Just wondering what now for M&H? Will they continue on with the strategy of talking and writing about the royal family or will things now change? I think the half in half out strategy on their terms would have worked for M&H but I think the RF were right to knock it on the head, it would never have worked for the RF, Harry was ready to go and Meghan was never going to just slot in with the system.

Just looking at Harry, I think the guy really needs the whole circus of fighting with the RF in public to stop, for his own mental health. He obviously has issues that he needs to come to terms with, he really needs to do this in private but this is at odds with how they need to make money now. I really fear for him the person.

If they keep going with the fighting then I think that's it for them and the RF. If they are to reconcile with the RF, how then do they make a living? I would imagine QE has left quite a provision for Harry in her will so perhaps the money making aspect will be less of a priority. I could see Charles being more open to a reconciliation but not sure about William.

Not trying to start a thread to bash anyone, just interested in other opinions.

Use google. Thanks.

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Well there was the blackamoor brooch incident for one.

She’ll need more info. She’s not been ‘keeping up’ you see. Lol.

No point. Anyone who needs it explaining, doesn't want to understand. Errrr thanks

Quite. The faux ‘I haven’t been keeping up, can you explain the racism thing to me’...with the added ‘thanks’ on the end. That poster can jog the fuck on. 😊

I can’t see there’s a future in which M&H come back into the RF and I don’t think they should - H has obviously experienced a great deal of trauma through his association with it to have acted out as publicly as he has in the last few years. I don’t think it’s healthy for him to try and be part of it on a professional level, nor does it appear he wants to.

For him to heal, he and M need to find their own path, probably from the US, but it needs to be independent of the RF or he’s just swapped one unhealthy enmeshing for another. If they could find their brand that isn’t ‘not-Royals’, which is a negative, I’d hope they can find their equilibrium. Once they’ve done that, maybe they can find a healthy way to reengage with the RF on a personal level - they’ve also got more chance of that being welcomed and reciprocated if the RF can trust their discretion of course.

@Meanderings - I don't know how old you are but Fergie & Camilla received eye wateringly bad Press. They never commented. We have 24 hour news now and the Sussexes have spokespeople who constantly stir the pot.

Have you thought Kate might be exhausted. Moved house, children in new school, the queen is ill, Will goes up to Scotland, the queen passes away, it’s a shock to everyone, children and Will to comfort. Will is now heir to the throne and then suddenly Kate’s the princess of Wales and they’re going to move into Windsor Castle.

What’s exhausting about being make prince and princess if Wales?

and why do they have to move Windsor castle?
haven't they recently acquired yet another home.

if is quite obscene how many homes they keep accumulating, given our cost of living crisis

Will was photographed selling a big issue recently...perhaps he could do something more helpful. Like open Windsor to the homeless?

The queen has died, it would be an amazing tribute to her memory if the slate could be just wiped clean by both sides and everyone just moves on. W & C and H & M could both be wonderful in their own right without there being some kind of popularity contest.

I guess it would need the media to stop this which is unlikely as they literally feed on M&H stories.

I also don't think they want to come back. They have clearly started a new life out there and as time goes on they will have even less engagements over here. They can see the family anytime they wish as "the family can also visit them in the US - let's face it they travel whenever they want to. If W&K want the cousins to keep in touch - there is school holidays - and they have enough servants so it's not as laborious as it is for the rest of us.

Hmmmm no it has honestly not crossed my mind that Kate would be exhausted. She said she was during lockdown with all that homeschooling and looking after the children so I guess you could be right. Anyway as I have read on these threads time and time again the RF must have counsellors at the end of the phone and an army of staff so I'm sure she and Will - will be fine.

Rightly or wrongly, my impression is that the RF (or rather Prince Charles, as he was then) could not support M&H (ie give them money), in the way that Meghan expected. I understand from their published accounts that both William and Harry received about 2 million each a year for their household. Meghan more or less said this on the Oprah interview. She said, 'there is no money'. She therefore wanted to monetise the monarchy, in a way that is not acceptable to the RF.
In this country the Monarchy is a constitutional monarchy (ie it has a constitutional role), and has to be above politics.
The Monarchy are often required by the Government to entertain rather dubious or controversial Heads of State such as Idi Amin, Nicolae Ceaușescu, and Donald Trump, and many others, all of whom have been hosted by TQ.
Consequently, to make money, (and express political opinions) Harry and Meghan have to be separate from the RF.

What’s next?

I hope a family coming together in grief & building of bridges on all sides. No more running to the press with the their side story or sources. That goes for the palace too before anyone jumps down my throat.

I though Meghan was very brave to go to meet the crowds, that took guts.

The biggest thing though is the press need to stop stirring the pot. On that I’m not hopeful.

How are these royal secrets coming out?

Are we talking about PH’s upcoming tell all biography - due out for the bumper Thanksgiving and Christmas market with the accompanying PR book tour press junket?

If so I don’t think the timing will work in his favour - it will come across as unseemly to be dishing dirt on a family in the early weeks and months of grief, facing their first Christmas without their mother, grandmother.

Also unless the secrets are watertight corroborated evidence (web cam!!) then it’s just for of the he said / she said without the she said …. so a one sided spin on events which may or may not have happened literally years ago where the other side don’t respond beyond the eye rolling “recollections may vary”.

It seems that the public trust in the words and actions of H&M is low / sceptical and they will need to work very hard to restore this before people will believe or even entertain his secrets.

Good post, with "If they could find their brand that isn’t ‘not-Royals’, which is a negative, I’d hope they can find their equilibrium" getting to the heart of it. The problem is, operating in society as an independent adult on the basis of your own skills and merits is extremely difficult, and, for most of us, takes a long time to achieve. They haven't done that, and I don't mean that in any dismissive sense. Other posters have mentioned more positive opportunities for them to build their 'brand' such as those related to H's army career or M's lifestyle blogging, which is good advice. That's the only way forward.

If it wasn’t for Rousette (and some others) almost single handedly pushing against the tide for thread after thread people actively hating H&M, I would have left MN for good. I used to be a real fan especially of AIBU and Preppers and would be on daily but the relentlessness of the vitriol became too much and I left. I know of at least one other poster who has said the same. You might not like people who defend H&M but it is very interesting how this very defence is seen as being negative and people do this as tiresome.

I used to be a real fan especially of AIBU and Preppers…..

Now why does that not surprise me…..?

You might not like people who defend H&M but it is very interesting how this very defence is seen as being negative and people do this as tiresome

What is tiresome is posters patrolling threads and telling others what they can post.

It's confirmation bias though, isn't it?

Most of the posts are by people who were enthusiastic about the marriage (went to watch even) and generally wish them well in their new life.

But are rather sick of the flexible attitude to the truth and the general denigration of others (esp when its double standards)

And yes, we criticise others too

And have to point this out over and over again, because of the relentless tide that spreads division with terms like "haterz" and assumes wrongly that any criticism at all comes from hate, or any positive comment means you're in a particular camp.

Absolutely agree

The only reason Meghan needed to be 'brave' was because she turned the tide against herself with her mud slinging and lies.

I'm not saying it's easy joining the RF, and I don't think Harry was upfront with her about what the role entailed. So to a certain degree I can empathise with her uphill struggle.

But Meghan has behaved really badly and shown her true colours, the writing was on the wall with how she treats her own family.

I do hope everyone extends an olive branch and they manage to mend fences, Harry is obviously a very troubled man and needs all the support he can get. But I fear Meghan may use any interaction with the RF to gather more ammunition to fuel further podcasts, interviews etc.

Thank you.
I post just one post on here questioning why anyone would come on and say "I'm sick to death of them" and how odd it is (like me going on The Tack Room and saying "I hate horses")... and I'm told I mock, silence and bully people. And I'm patrolling a thread with my one post!

I just find the personal attacks pathetic to be honest, I've had them for years on and off, and I think it really shows up the posters who do this continually.

I do imagine that, because M&H are getting some sympathy, Charles expressed his love for them, the walkabout etc.... the vitriol about this couple is not so bad at the moment, I think there might be a way forward, and that must enrage those who are entrenched in their vitriolic dislike of this couple.

Excellent post.

Most people are middle of the road - left confused by their own initial feelings of huge warmth, optimism and good wishes to H&M that have now faded watching their behaviour directly over the last few years.

Most people are having their opinions formed by observing and evaluating the words and behaviors of H&M directly - not via the racist click bait of the press.

There are many intelligent people in these threads who have shared experiences and insights around race which has shaped and balanced the debate positively - however there are a few reactive / extreme posters whose blunt style is inadvertently working against their own aims by alienating posters and polarising discussion.

Of course there are some posters who come out with ignorant shit and the approach should be to educate them calmly - which the H&M sceptics would and could also do if given the space and balance was encouraged.