What now for M&H

[OliviaBean]

I find the whole family and royal family (The Firm) aspect of Megxit very interesting.

Just wondering what now for M&H? Will they continue on with the strategy of talking and writing about the royal family or will things now change? I think the half in half out strategy on their terms would have worked for M&H but I think the RF were right to knock it on the head, it would never have worked for the RF, Harry was ready to go and Meghan was never going to just slot in with the system.

Just looking at Harry, I think the guy really needs the whole circus of fighting with the RF in public to stop, for his own mental health. He obviously has issues that he needs to come to terms with, he really needs to do this in private but this is at odds with how they need to make money now. I really fear for him the person.

If they keep going with the fighting then I think that's it for them and the RF. If they are to reconcile with the RF, how then do they make a living? I would imagine QE has left quite a provision for Harry in her will so perhaps the money making aspect will be less of a priority. I could see Charles being more open to a reconciliation but not sure about William.

Not trying to start a thread to bash anyone, just interested in other opinions.

It'll be interesting to see what happens.
Hopefully when Harry returns to the US he'll feel a bit more assured of the love his father and brother feel for him and be able to separate this from all the angst he feels been part of the family firm and all its demands caused him and Meghan.

@Meanderings It really doesn't matter how boring or stupid you think the senior royals are, if the firm is popular Meghan, harry and their dc will benefit, if the firm is hated and irrelevant, then the Suessexes become even more irrelevant royals than they already are. Meghan is really insignificant in the structure of the RF, she is basically Fergie, just more wilful.

I still think she can learn to fit in with the family and be an asset, it will be one hell of a learning curve though. It's a huge shame for the cousins, George, Charlotte,, Louis, Archie and Lilibet will be wondering why their parents were more Jeremy Kyle than British gents and ladies. As the future heads of the Anglican Church, K&W need to learn forgiveness.

that pic of Wills and Kate separated from kids by a cage looking barrier

Were you also outraged when a black footballer had a near identical photo taken on his visit?

Countries in the commonwealth are all voluntarily members and can leave at any time, if they become a republic they can still stay as well should they choose. The Queen worked hard to try and move on from the colonial past and to give them the chance to move forward if and when they so wished- I think it's ignorant to assume the meer presence of Meghan would influence their decision to stay or not. It's probably a better optic that they wanted to leave and were granted that.

If I was going to have a guess, and going by other family experience, it would be once the initial sadness of losing Granny is over, everything will return to how it was, with another chapter for the book on how M was held back from going to Scotland with H etc etc.

If I had a magic wand over how it should be, it would that M would become producer only with other presenters hosting her podcasts, removing all opportunity to reference her experiences with the RF and system.
That the Sussex family keep a foot in each Country of their origin, and that H be organised some sort of working, functioning employment in the family business, along the lines of managing post retirement lives for servicemen and women esp for those who have seen active o/s postings.

that's what I would like to see happen...

This

I hope they go back to the US and continue building their lives with their beautiful children. Somebody said on another thread they would bring Archie back for Prep school. I hope not imagine the way the press hound him. England is not the only place on earth with good schools There are also very good schools in the US. They can have contact with family members here if they've want to but they don't need to move back permanently to do that - people marry and move countries all the time. I don't know why MN are obsessed with will they or won't they return? . let them be.

I think there will be s dhort period of them keeping quiet. And then it will be more of the same.

They return to the US, to carry living their happy lives with their children and stable marriage would be my guess.

Hopefully some bridges will be built through grief with the family, and they all are on "ok terms" as in, if they do turn up for a wedding or a funeral they need not feel unwelcome. But who knows they may not feel that now, and the whole rift thing has been blown out of proportion.

We don't know these people, we don't know their lives.

I wish them all well though, none the less.

I suspect that Kate knows how much M and H have upset the family, especially Will so she was in protective mode. She has cause to be wary of Meghan

I appreciated the media only shows what fits the narrative but it would be good to see Harry with a smile on his face sometime soon

Not really appropriate for him to be going round with a grin on his face at the moment, surely? He’d get lambasted for that, no doubt.

Hopefully they go back to the US, build successful lives that make them happy and stop dishing dirt on their relations.

I think it was an olive branch but it will take an awful lot for trust to be rebuilt between the firm and H&M.

Being another step forward to the thrown Wills possibly feels he would like Harry beside him. But they need to rebuild the trust.

Not in relation to the current events obviously, but going forwards

I think Kate needs a break Meghan commented on her on Oprah and she’s not had a chance to put her side of the story. She’s allowed to not like Meghan. If Kate was on mumsnet we would have advised her to go low or no contact

If Meghan was on mumsnet, we’d have told her to do the same for the racism alone. Looks like they came to that conclusion themselves and left the country. That’s how you properly reduce contact. 😉

My hope (probably completely unrealistic) is that someone intervenes sensibly - to offer a route of sensible advice and support. To enable the brothers to reconnect again.

W, K & H used to be such a close group - there used to be cracking shots in the early days of them all together. I am NOT blaming M for this not happening now.

I think the only way forward is for W&H to resolve things first - but who knows if this can be achieved. If it can, they then work on involving their wives.

Sadly, not sure it’s possible. Sure, “things” can be done to project the right image publicly, but I don’t know that any of them can resolve their own feelings enough to truly resolve things.

I do think it’s time for H&M to stop with the direct/veiled revelations. I think everyone knows now how they feel. There can’t be much more to reveal given the time it’s been since they left the RF. So, my best hope is that they all now just move forward with their respective lives and roles - one side carrying out the duty of the RF and the other building their independent life overseas.

I think that Harry and Meghan will be vindicated when all the royal secrets start emerging

@Lampzade 😁

I think God himself could bring down a not guilty verdict and people would refuse to believe it. They would write it all off as untrue and placed my Meghan's PR team in order to make her look better. I saw her referred to as a witch today, who had basically put Harry under her spell.

Nothing will change the mind of a person who believes something like that.

I think the events of this past week and the week to come will be a revelation to Meghan, it will really help her understand that the monarchy and the royal family is an institution rather than a collection of individual personalities (or celebrities as she perhaps thought of them).
In fairness to her, Harry should have done a better job or trying to explain that before they married but it must have been incredibly difficult for her to fully understand that she would just be slipping into a role within that institution and that there was no real scope to grow that role or even shape it to her own vision beyond a few minor projects.
I hope that when they return to California, they will both come to peace with the fact that they are no longer a part of the institution and it appears to be moving forward without them It is now time for them to move on to find a happier and healthier way of making a living rather than reliving past bitterness and upset constantly.

In fairness, if even half of the allegations that Meghan/Harry made are untrue - and there certainly seems to be a hefty dose of poetic licence at the very least - then I think Catherine's reaction to them is completely understandable. Add in the fact that they've just suffered a huge bereavement and are in front of the crowds, then I think Catherine seems to be very much just focusing on what needs to be done.

I'm not a fan at all of how Meghan and Harry have behaved, and there have already been multiple times when they've been shown to be economical with the truth (such as when Meghan got caught out in court and had to apologise for misleading the court).

I think H & M could be phenomenal. If they could drop their constant badmouthing of Harry's family, and heavily hinting about the royals, they could be such a force of good. They're not confined by the etiquette of the royals and Meghan especially clearly has a strong sense of wanting to make a difference.

The queen has died, it would be an amazing tribute to her memory if the slate could be just wiped clean by both sides and everyone just moves on. W & C and H & M could both be wonderful in their own right without there being some kind of popularity contest.

It was lovely to see them all together again and to think that perhaps they could heal the wounds of the past.

I agree. This two weeks will give them plenty to talk about in their next interview / book / podcast.

I haven't been keeping up as I should, but this really interests me. Could you please explain the racism to me. Thanks.

What amuses me about these threads are the posters who come on and say "I'm sick to death of them, I wish they'd go away"
Or "I can't stand them" followed by a string of insults

It's like me going on the threads on here in The Tack Room (a MN area especially for people with horses)
And saying "I hate horses" or "Horses are horrible, they smell"

Do you realise how ridiculous you sound?!!

What amuses me about these threads are the posters who come on and say "I'm sick to death of them, I wish they'd go away"
Or "I can't stand them" followed by a string of insults

It's like me going on the threads on here in The Tack Room (a MN area especially for people with horses)
And saying "I hate horses" or "Horses are horrible, they smell"

Do you realise how ridiculous you sound?!!