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Viviennemary · 2022-09-09T17:10:51+00:00

Charles has just created William Prince of Wales from today. So one question answered. Good decision.

LoveHamble · 09/09/2022 19:45

MarshaMelrose · 09/09/2022 19:43

If that's case, I apologise but what I said still holds true. That he didn't automatically get the title when he became heir. He had to wait several years before it was given to him. (TBF, he was very little when he became heir. )

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The heir does not get the title automatically, it has to be bestowed by the monarch, but it is usual since mid 19th century I think that it is bestowed.

JustLyra · 09/09/2022 19:46

asblindasabat · 09/09/2022 19:45

Oh sorry, would it not be Queen Camilla? I was basing my last post on the fact Philip was Prince Philip and not King Philip.

She’s HM The Queen.

Philip wasn’t King because a King outranks a Queen a Queen’s husband can’t be a King.

MarshaMelrose · 09/09/2022 19:46

VladmirsPoutine · 09/09/2022 19:35

I feel like we were rushed into it. We didn't get to have a national debate about the future of the monarchy. We should have had a referendum about abolition.

There's no rushing. A monarch dies, a new one ascends. That's what it is.
I don't think a lot of people liked the last interregnum we had. They banned Christmas and kissing.

VladmirsPoutine · 09/09/2022 19:46

theveg · 09/09/2022 19:41

@VladmirsPoutine there can't have been a vacuum or interregnum. It has to be seamless, that is the whole point of constitutional monarchy.

I think we are lucky to live in a country where such an event doesn't result in chaos and unrest.

Also don't you think we've had enough referendums in recent years to see how divisive and poisonous they are? I don't think we should ever be given a yes/no referendum again, it has torn us apart.

Yes, that's one of the problems. Because it has to be seamless and without pause means blink and its over. That's one of the problems. It should have ended after the death of the Queen who I think has done a stellar job.

AnnoyedByAlfieBear · 09/09/2022 19:46

asblindasabat · 09/09/2022 19:44

Do we not get to call Camilla ‘Princess Camilla’ ?

She's Queen Camilla. She was Camilla princess of Wales yesterday but chose not to use the title.

Tiredmum100 · 09/09/2022 19:47

Great speech. I thought he was going to cry at the end. I can't imagine loosing my mother, then having to get up and be on TV the next day. I think it is heart breaking to loose anyone you love at any age. He did so well, and I really like him. I think he will be a good King!

JustLyra · 09/09/2022 19:48

TastesLikeFlavourlessFizz · 09/09/2022 19:25

On the Diana title point, I could be wrong but my understanding is that she/someone in her situation loses the THE when the her royal ex remarries. So when Charles married Camilla, she became Diana, Princess of Wales (and would have remained so unless she remarried) but Camilla became Camilla, THE Princess of Wales.

Charles’ speech was perfect. I think he’ll be great as king.

I agree that it makes sense to create William as POW now.

Her title wasn’t based on Charles’ marital status. It’s decided when the divorce happens and stays like that. She changed from being HRH The Princess of Wales to Diana, Princess of Wales at that point and would have stayed there.

Spanielsarepainless · 09/09/2022 19:49

I hope the King makes Edward Duke of Edinburgh as he has oversight of the Award scheme which was his father's brainchild.

Antarcticant · 09/09/2022 19:49

asblindasabat · 09/09/2022 19:44

Do we not get to call Camilla ‘Princess Camilla’ ?

She could never have been Princess Camilla. Only people born into royalty can be Princess [Firstname]. Had she chosen, she could have styled herself Princess Charles or The Princess of Wales, but not Princess Camilla.

AbsentinSpring · 09/09/2022 19:49

Posh folk are bred to be Stoics. Charles was hardly going to weep into his hanky over "me mum" as if he were in Eastenders

moonypadfootprongs · 09/09/2022 19:49

Karmakamelion · 09/09/2022 19:08

I thought that the heir to the throne was always prince of Wales?

No. The Prince of Wales can only be given to the male heir to the thrown but it's not an inherited right.
The Queen was not know as Princess of Wales before her fathers death either. So during his reign there was no Prince or Princess of Wales

asblindasabat · 09/09/2022 19:50

Antarcticant · 09/09/2022 19:49

She could never have been Princess Camilla. Only people born into royalty can be Princess [Firstname]. Had she chosen, she could have styled herself Princess Charles or The Princess of Wales, but not Princess Camilla.

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Why was Diana called Princess Diana then? She wasn’t born into the RF?

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 09/09/2022 19:50

JustLyra · 09/09/2022 19:46

She’s HM The Queen.

Philip wasn’t King because a King outranks a Queen a Queen’s husband can’t be a King.

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Does a king outrank a queen in these days of equality? Given that Charlotte is further up the accession ladder than her brother Louis?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 09/09/2022 19:51

Here you go, speakout:

news.sky.com/story/king-charles-iiis-first-address-to-the-nation-the-full-transcript-12693814

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 09/09/2022 19:52

asblindasabat · 09/09/2022 19:50

Why was Diana called Princess Diana then? She wasn’t born into the RF?

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She wasn't really Princess Diana. She was Diana Princess of Wales.

ajandjjmum · 09/09/2022 19:52

asblindasabat · 09/09/2022 19:50

Why was Diana called Princess Diana then? She wasn’t born into the RF?

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She shouldn't have been - she was Princess of Wales or Princess Charles. But Princess Diana was adopted by the press (understandably - sounds much nicer) and it stuck.

Veeragall · 09/09/2022 19:52

Diana was never officially Princess Diana. She was Diana, Princess of Wales. People called her Princess Diana. Which wasn't correct, but it was fine.

WhereDidYouGoBernedette · 09/09/2022 19:52

Hmmm going to break the mood here a little.
I do not believe he wrote that speech.
I believe it was rehearsed and practiced
I also believe, in my very humble opinion, that counts for little, that he came across as a pompous windbag.
Glad that people enjoyed it but to talk about suffering, while surrounded by marble pillars of an impressive size, when there are going to be people dying in this country over winter through lack of being able to pay their energy bills...
Quite frankly it disgusts me.

Antarcticant · 09/09/2022 19:52

asblindasabat · 09/09/2022 19:50

Why was Diana called Princess Diana then? She wasn’t born into the RF?

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She was never officially Princess Diana. She might have been popularly called that, but it wasn't an official style.

Veeragall · 09/09/2022 19:53

And thinking about Princess Diana, I'd be fine too with Princess Catherine.

smilesy · 09/09/2022 19:55

Glad that people enjoyed it but to talk about suffering, while surrounded by marble pillars

But he is nonetheless suffering grief at the death of his mother as anyone would. It may not be material suffering but I’m sure it is real.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 09/09/2022 19:56

Is there something especially unfeeling about being surrounded by marble pillars? would it have been OK if they were polystyrene?

SiannyMarne · 09/09/2022 19:57

I feel sad that the opportunity wasn't taken to retire the title "Prince of Wales" . It was used by Edward the First to humiliate the Welsh. The last true Prince of Wales was Owain Glyndŵr or even Llywelyn ap Gruffudd.

Kellie45 · 09/09/2022 19:57

I thought the king spoke very well. In fact he reminded me of his mother! He said what was appropriate and in wishing Harry and Meghan well he was gracious

Antarcticant · 09/09/2022 19:58

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 09/09/2022 19:50

Does a king outrank a queen in these days of equality? Given that Charlotte is further up the accession ladder than her brother Louis?

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It's more that females can't confer their titles on males. Compare Princess Anne - her husbands didn't become princes; or, outside Royalty, take Diana's sister Lady Sarah McCorquodale - her husband is not a 'sir' or Lord by virtue of marrying a Lady (but a Ms who marries a 'Sir' does become Lady Surname). Women are not 'important' enough to confer status by marriage.

The change to the laws of succession didn't change that - perhaps it might change in the future.