Page 10 | William and Kate now Prince and Princess of Wales

Viviennemary · 2022-09-09T17:10:51+00:00

Charles has just created William Prince of Wales from today. So one question answered. Good decision.

SheldonesqueTheBstard · 09/09/2022 19:58

He has lost his mum. I think he knows fine about suffering after losing his father fairly recently too.

We are mere mortals. All the riches or fancy pillars in the world can’t stop the pain of losing those you love.

JustLyra · 09/09/2022 19:59

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 09/09/2022 19:50

Does a king outrank a queen in these days of equality? Given that Charlotte is further up the accession ladder than her brother Louis?

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Yes, a King still outranks a Queen. Charlotte would be Queen before Louis was King, but her husband wouldn’t be King.

Only the line of succession changed. Charlotte, or George’s future daughter, would never be Princess of Wales, or Duke of Cornwall because they can - currently - only go to male heirs.

asblindasabat · 09/09/2022 19:59

WhereDidYouGoBernedette · 09/09/2022 19:52

Hmmm going to break the mood here a little.
I do not believe he wrote that speech.
I believe it was rehearsed and practiced
I also believe, in my very humble opinion, that counts for little, that he came across as a pompous windbag.
Glad that people enjoyed it but to talk about suffering, while surrounded by marble pillars of an impressive size, when there are going to be people dying in this country over winter through lack of being able to pay their energy bills...
Quite frankly it disgusts me.

He has lost his mother. No money or privilege in the world can make you feel any less sad about that.

TastesLikeFlavourlessFizz · 09/09/2022 19:59

JustLyra · 09/09/2022 19:48

Her title wasn’t based on Charles’ marital status. It’s decided when the divorce happens and stays like that. She changed from being HRH The Princess of Wales to Diana, Princess of Wales at that point and would have stayed there.

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That’s literally what I said. But with extra detail about Camilla and what would happen if Diana remarried.

Kellie45 · 09/09/2022 19:59

WhereDidYouGoBernedette · 09/09/2022 19:52

Hmmm going to break the mood here a little.
I do not believe he wrote that speech.
I believe it was rehearsed and practiced
I also believe, in my very humble opinion, that counts for little, that he came across as a pompous windbag.
Glad that people enjoyed it but to talk about suffering, while surrounded by marble pillars of an impressive size, when there are going to be people dying in this country over winter through lack of being able to pay their energy bills...
Quite frankly it disgusts me.

Where are you honestly listening to the same speeches we were or were you listening to it with a biased and bigoted mind? It is not your very humble opinion but in fact and opinion which you express which makes you come over like a pompous windbag yourself in my humble opinion. There is a guy just trying to do his duty and you give an opinion which disgusts me. But it’s a free country so you can give it but don’t mind me giving mine

Legrandsophie · 09/09/2022 20:00

Anyone who needs to have empathy explaining to them would never understand it anyway.

Being unable to empathise with people who are different to you is the sign of an inflexible mind.

moonypadfootprongs · 09/09/2022 20:00

@MarshaMelrose I think the difference here is that William is already a full time working Royal at the point of becoming heir.
Charles was 3 when he became heir and perhaps it was felt that was a big thing for a child to carry.

TastesLikeFlavourlessFizz · 09/09/2022 20:01

TastesLikeFlavourlessFizz · 09/09/2022 19:59

That’s literally what I said. But with extra detail about Camilla and what would happen if Diana remarried.

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Oh I’ve read it back and see how I clumsily worded that. I meant to say that Camilla gained the ‘The POW’ and Diana after divorce lost the ‘The’ (as well as the HRH).

thecatsthecats · 09/09/2022 20:03

GlacindaTheTroll · 09/09/2022 18:27

"Flights of angels sing thee to thy rest" is an echo of the Catholic burial mass, referenced by Horatio in Hamlet

More recently, it's also Song for Athene by John Taverner which was the recessional at the funeral of Diana Princess of Wales

I'm sure it's part of a hymn as well - I can sing the middle bit but can't remember the title!

Plus there was an echo of it in Doctor Who when the Ood came to sing the 10th doctor to his regeneration

It's referenced in Blackadder, in fact, it's said to Elizabeth I.

TastesLikeFlavourlessFizz · 09/09/2022 20:04

@JustLyra Bloody hell. Even my clarification is waffly. Not on form tonight! I think you know what I’m saying now - and that it’s the same thing.

JustLyra · 09/09/2022 20:04

TastesLikeFlavourlessFizz · 09/09/2022 19:59

That’s literally what I said. But with extra detail about Camilla and what would happen if Diana remarried.

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It’s not literally what you said.

On the Diana title point, I could be wrong but my understanding is that she/someone in her situation loses the THE when the her royal ex remarries. So when Charles married Camilla, she became Diana, Princess of Wales (and would have remained so unless she remarried) but Camilla became Camilla, THE Princess of Wales.

Camilla marrying Charles made no difference to Diana’s title, she didn’t lose the “the” when her royal ex remarried.
And Camilla became HRH The Princess of Wales. No mention of her first name.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 09/09/2022 20:04

I also believe, in my very humble opinion, that counts for little, that he came across as a pompous windbag

Do love the way you're talking about 'in my very humble opinion' and calling HM a pompous windbag. Talk about pot kettle there.

MaggieFS · 09/09/2022 20:06

Tierne · 09/09/2022 19:21

Does it mean anything that he didnt mention Harry's titles and just said he wished them the best with their life abroad?

The only thing beyond face value (wishing them well) you could take from what was said is that no changes are forthcoming i.e. no return to the UK/ royal life.

JustLyra · 09/09/2022 20:06

TastesLikeFlavourlessFizz · 09/09/2022 20:04

@JustLyra Bloody hell. Even my clarification is waffly. Not on form tonight! I think you know what I’m saying now - and that it’s the same thing.

I get what you’re trying to say now

MarshaMelrose · 09/09/2022 20:07

moonypadfootprongs · 09/09/2022 20:00

@MarshaMelrose I think the difference here is that William is already a full time working Royal at the point of becoming heir.
Charles was 3 when he became heir and perhaps it was felt that was a big thing for a child to carry.

OK. I agree. I'd been responding to someone who said that the heir automatically became Prince of Wales as soon as their parent became monarch. I was just pointing out that it was a actually a gift from the monarch and not automatic. Hence Charles didn't get the title for several years. I thought he was 20 but someone else said 9. And I said TBF he was very little when he became heir alluding to why QE waited.

SiannyMarne · 09/09/2022 20:07

Just realised the thread is obsessed with the English use of title and nobody actually give a ff about the country of Wales.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 09/09/2022 20:08

@MaggieFS that was the way I read it.

JustLyra · 09/09/2022 20:09

SiannyMarne · 09/09/2022 20:07

Just realised the thread is obsessed with the English use of title and nobody actually give a ff about the country of Wales.

People discussing one thing gives you no idea of their views on another

SiannyMarne · 09/09/2022 20:12

But they are completely ignoring the question?

Has there been a whole series of answers about it not being a great message to send to Wales I have missed?

MaggieFS · 09/09/2022 20:13

This is a clumsy q but I don't know the correct words for what I want to ask... what are the rules of succession/ rules of inheritance for the D of E title? I saw upthread it's intended to go to Edward, but if Philip had it, why isn't it already now Charles'?

WhereDidYouGoBernedette · 09/09/2022 20:14

pompous
ˈpɒmpəs
adjective
affectedly grand, solemn, or self-important.
characterized by pomp or splendour.

windbag
ˈwɪn(d)baɡ
noun
derogatory
informal
a person who talks at length but says little of any value.

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 09/09/2022 20:14

WhereDidYouGoBernedette · 09/09/2022 19:52

Hmmm going to break the mood here a little.
I do not believe he wrote that speech.
I believe it was rehearsed and practiced
I also believe, in my very humble opinion, that counts for little, that he came across as a pompous windbag.
Glad that people enjoyed it but to talk about suffering, while surrounded by marble pillars of an impressive size, when there are going to be people dying in this country over winter through lack of being able to pay their energy bills...
Quite frankly it disgusts me.

Well he is suffering, stupid if you suggest he's not. He's lost his mother. Most people would suffer at that time. I think it's fair for him to mention it. Especially since many people have been saddened by the news

JustLyra · 09/09/2022 20:14

MaggieFS · 09/09/2022 20:13

This is a clumsy q but I don't know the correct words for what I want to ask... what are the rules of succession/ rules of inheritance for the D of E title? I saw upthread it's intended to go to Edward, but if Philip had it, why isn't it already now Charles'?

It was with Charles. He inherited it from Philip.

it’s now merged with the crown (all of his titles merged with the crown the moment he became King) so is free for Charles to give to someone else when/if he chooses.

Blossomtoes · 09/09/2022 20:15

MaggieFS · 09/09/2022 20:13

This is a clumsy q but I don't know the correct words for what I want to ask... what are the rules of succession/ rules of inheritance for the D of E title? I saw upthread it's intended to go to Edward, but if Philip had it, why isn't it already now Charles'?

There aren’t any rules. It’s at the monarch’s discretion. All the royal dukedoms are the same.

SiannyMarne · 09/09/2022 20:15

Again totally made up title by the English. Not hereditary

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_of_Edinburgh