William and Kate now Prince and Princess of Wales

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Charles has just created William Prince of Wales from today. So one question answered. Good decision.

Apparently she and Charles were on good terms in the months before her death, and she supposedly told friends that she regretted the divorce.

I very much doubt she and Charles would have remarried had she lived, but I do think they would have come to some amicable arrangement. After all, she would always be the mother of the now Prince of Wales and future King William. They may even have come up with some fancy courtesy title for her, 'My lady the king's mother' or something like that. But obviously all hypothetical.

And only truth comes out of his mouth!

I don't see any particular reason why he'd have made that up.

Given that William has also said that his mother confided in him during and after her divorce - which basically means she unloaded her emotional crap onto a child (totally inappropriate imho) - he may have just been attempting to make her feel better as many children in that situation would.
I highly doubt he would carry that childhood promise into adulthood.

Apparently she and Charles were on good terms in the months before her death,

Yes, they'd made up and were getting on well. A poster on here told a story she'd heard that Prince Charles got caught short on a flight and landed in Diana's garden to use her loo. As he left, she shouted out of the window, see you same time next month.
I don't know if it's true or not but it does like Diana. She always seemed good fun.

Apart from the fact that he is a lying thief who has spent the last 25 years squeezing every last penny he can out of the memory of a woman he claims to have respected.

Yeah, Burrell really isn't that nice. Taking her clothes when she died. And "I was the keeper of her secrets" and will sell them to the highest bidder.

Don’t they have toilets on his private jet?!!

Who cares?

If he landed in a garden, I imagine it was a helicopter!

By Scottish titles, he meant the Duchy of Rothesay, which is the tile by which the Prince of Wales goes by in Scotland. This means that William and Kate are now Prince and Princess of Wales, Duke and Duchess of Cambridge, Cornwall and Rothesay.

Yes, it was in a helicopter. Neither the poster nor I can verify its true, but I like to think it is.
I do remember, after her death, many people, including her close friends, said that they had made up somewhat and were on good terms. I wonder if William disinviting them from a school event made them think about what they were doing? Good on Wiiliam. 😄

How is this appropriate? - they are not welsh or even live in Wales. spending 3 years on Anglesey and then moaning about it does not make them good candidates. Title needs to be abolished

If everything MN wants abolished was consigned to room 101 there’d be nothing left. There hasn’t been a Welsh Prince of Wales for centuries. It’s fine.

Study your history cariad 😊

That's made me laugh

Why do the WELSH have a "Prince" and "Princess" who is ENGLISH? However nice William and Kate are, shouldn't the Welsh have a prince who is Welsh?

Just asking.

Regarding Diana, I would not dare say this in RL but I think she would have genuinely struggled to cope with Kate as female competition. Diana liked to have all the attention and I don’t think she would have liked sharing it.

Why do the WELSH have a "Prince" and "Princess" who is ENGLISH? However nice William and Kate are, shouldn't the Welsh have a prince who is Welsh?

I don't think the RF consider themselves English. They consider they're British and Wales is part of Britain.

Interesting thought! He could also have styled her HRH the King Mother, I imagine (far less glamourous, but with precedent - although didn’t the Queen grant HRH Princess Marina that title after her husband the Duke of Kent was killed in the war, as she had been a Princess of Greece before they were married?).

Duke of Rothesay, Earl of Carrick, Baron of Renfrew, Lord of the Isles and Prince and Great Steward of Scotland - all these Scottish titles go along with the title of Price of Wales.

The Queen allowed Princess Marina (and layer Princess Alice) to style herself as HRH Princess Marina so she didn’t have to be Dowager Duchess, but it was a style rather than a title.

The King Mother as a title wouldn’t really work here because the precedent we have with the Queen Mother means that the King Mother would suggest she had been the King previously. The Queen Mother is the title given to a dowager Queen who is Mother of the current monarch (male or female).

No he couldn't!

Diana Princess of Wales was never ever going to be King! And King's aren't consorts, so there simply isn't a "dowager king" title. Also queens are HM, not HRH.

The Queen Mother had that title because she was the dowager Queen.

Normally no separate title is needed - for example when Queen Mary was widowed, she remained as Queen Mary because the new queen was Queen Elizabeth so no possibility of mixing the two up.

But when that Queen Elizabeth was widowed, the next queen was her daughter who had the same name. So there needed to be a way of distinguishing which queen was which. HMQM did not want to be known as the Dowager Queen and instead chose a less used variant "Queen Mother"

As Diana was never going to be queen after her divorce, it follows that she would never have a dowager title either.

She could have been created as some other title that referenced the fact she was mother of the monarch, or even (as alluded to above) been created a Princess in her own right.

Wasn’t Margaret Beaufort ‘My Lady the Kings Mother’? So something like that does have precedent albeit from hundreds of years ago!

The Queen also allowed the Dowager Duchess of Gloucester (mother of the current Duke) to use Princess Alice after her son's marriage, even though she was not a birth princess. So the monarch has quite a bit of range and leeway to come up with something appropriate.