William and Kate now Prince and Princess of Wales

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Charles has just created William Prince of Wales from today. So one question answered. Good decision.

Totally agree.

The poor man looked broken yet carried through his mums sense of duty amazingly.

I loved his smile when he mentioned Camilla. They really do have a special love for each other.

When Prince Edward married it was announced then that he would become Duke of Edinburgh after the death of both his father and his mother. I think officially Charles has to announce that he is giving the title to him.

Their instagram has changed I see

I thought his speech was warm, yet statesmanlike. He struck just the right balance.

A fleeting thought: I wonder how he'll feel the first time the National Anthem is sung and he has to remember to not join in. That'll be a very poignant moment, given how many thousands of times he's sung it in honour of his mother.

The title was created over 700 years ago. I don't think you can take Edward I's intentions and say that they are the intentions of the monarchs of today. These days it is given to honour the Welsh. To show how important Wales is within the Union. Charles said how honoured he was to have held the title and he wants his son to represent Wales so that he can listen to the Welsh people and their needs can be brought to the heart of the establishment.
I really don't think there's any insult intended by the title still existing. .

Stop talking about yourself! 😁

Was this 'announced'?

Or just assumed?

Sorry no it doesn't honour the Welsh at all. It is a reminder that we are subservient to the English. Charles never represented the Welsh he never did anything for the Welsh and I don't believe his son will do anything for the Welsh'

Please do give a list of all the wondaful things Charles did I missed.

I shed a tear or two for sure. All the arrogance of youth had gone and he seems a really genuine and caring person. Especially mentioning both sons.

Charles has to give him the title.

It’ll be interesting to see if he does. On the one hand it would be odd for him not to carry out something his mother clearly wished, on the other hand there are already two historic royal Dukedoms that will stop being so in the next few years (Kent, Gloucester). Sussex will also not be royal after it passes on to Archie’s issue (assuming he has any).

I think it may also depend if Edward and Sophie want James to be Duke if Edinburgh in time.

@IcedPurple The Queen made a statement at the time. Obviously it is down to Charles to honour it as it is not now in the gift of the Queen to give.

Makes sense as it is their new title

That was when the English took the title not when it was created.

M and H were the only people he didn't mention by their titles (e.g. Duke and Duchess of Sussex).

I don't think they're going to have them much longer...

I think that happened in a few pubs which is a great sign

when he brought up William he said William and Catherine.

He didn’t call them by their titles, just mentioned their new titles.

it was a very warm moving speech

Stop! 😫😭

Very dignified under what will be extremely difficult circumstances, he has my respect, when my mum died I went to bed and sobbed for a week 😞 His heart will be breaking.

Yes and at the age of 73 when most of us would want to retire, not take on a new role

I hope Edward gets the Duke of Edinburgh title which apparently is in Charles gift, if only because Sophie has redeemed herself from her earlier blunders over the years and Edward has taken over the Dof E award work I understand ( and it would reinforce the cold shouldering of York)

So do I, it would be dishonouring his Father's wishes not to.

You know that Wales and England have had the same monarchy since 1286. That's over 700 years.

Wales existed as a united, independent country for just over 200 years- and even then there were bits that kept breaking away to form minor kingdoms. In fact, only one king ever ruled the entire of Wales before the Normans annexed the lot.

I hate this stirring of divisions between England and Wales. We are essentially the same peoples with a lot of the same cultural roots and DNA evidence demonstrates that the population of England was never a separate , invading group, especially in the borders.

Harry and Meghan don't want titles do they and they don't wish to be part of the royal firm, so it would make sense surely if they are removed at some point as per their wishes?

When Kate and William lived in Wales they shopped locally and made an effort to get to know and to intergeate with their local community. Despite its origins I think it's a brilliant title for them and that as they're more approachable and finger on the pulse as to what people want from a modern monarchy I think it'll be good.

Speak for yourself cariad none in my family and friends feel subservient to the English 😂😂