Prince Archie & Princess Lilibet?

[susan12345678]

Surely not?

I look forward to Harry's announcement explaining that they will decline prince and princess titles for their DC, in keeping with their decision to stand down as senior royals and live private lives in the US.

Anything less under the circumstances would be rank hypocrisy

They want to reduce the number of "working royals" but not the amount of money they receive. It is a good wheez.

The specific proposal to remove the grandchildren’s status as princes and princess was presented to him in May, and was presented as being a gradual transition, over quite a number of years, for each of the children. I think that makes sense - as the children already are princes and princess, and since there is such disparity in their ages, the fairest way to proceed would have been to pick an age where they are well into adulthood, have had some time to study/find themselves, and have each been treated equally, and then let the title fall away at that given point.

A point I saw being discussed was that if this genuinely is the Queen’s wish that they no longer have these titles (and it is her decision to make), then it really makes no sense to leave the younger ones having them for more than another decade. By the time they turn 25 Frederik is almost certain to be the King, and so his mother is landing him as having to be the “Bad Guy” to make sure something she wanted done happens.

That’s true. Although it would still have been set in place by her rather than Fred so I personally don’t think it should have caused any PR awkwardness. But people do have short memories I guess!

I think it’s more likely that they just decided it wasn’t a workable plan after all - 15 years is a long time and a lot can happen within that timeframe - and that a quick, sharp move might be problematic for a short while but would be better in the long run.

Nikolai has spoken about it today to say that he is upset, was shocked by the suddenness of it and doesn’t understand why it had to be done this way. He was notified just under a week ago (same as the others) and says it’t harder still to come to terms with now that it’s become public knowledge.

They’ll all be fine in the end of course, I’m sure, but right now there are going to be some hurt feelings for a while!

I’m wondering if the upset is because they were informed officially - so the Princes and Princess were given the information by a palace official, rather than Nikolai, Felix, Henrik, Athena being told by Grandma?

Might be the first time the children have been treated as royals rather than grandkids - if you get what I mean?

Yes you could be right! Rather ironic...

No one was informed directly by the Queen, not even Joachim and Marie. So I think actually this was likely a much more difficult conclusion for her to come to than she might be willing to let on.

Was it just the Cambridge children?
I thought it was the direct line, eg. George’s future children will be titled, boy or girl, and then the children of Georges oldest child would be etc. So that girls wouldn’t be overlooked.

May have misunderstood though.

At the moment, it's all grandchildren of a monarch in the male line

Which, when William becomes king means that both Goerge's and Louis' DC would be HRH Prince/ss, but not Charlotte's. Which is a nonsense, as her DC would be higher up in the succession.

So it will need attention idc (but could be safely left for a decade, or even two!)

Two obvious options:
a) all grandchildren of a monarch have royal styles
b) only the children of the eldest child have them (ie sticking more closely to the line of succession - meaning in this generation only George's offspring)

Might need a further tweak if George has no DC, and therefore offspring of the next sibling are the de facto line, but that's a matter so far in the future that it doesn't need considering now.

I think the King would go for option b. But might be waiting to see what the Sussex view is. Queen Margarethe has just removed royal styles from 4 of her grandchildren, and whereas I don't see KC removing them from all the little Waleses, I do think they might cut off those outside the direct line from passing them to their DC (even though under current rules they would get then when Willian succeeds)

Best done before any of these hypothetical DC are born though, so no later misunderstandings.

I think best solution for the Sussexes is to do as the Wessexes did

Best done before any of these hypothetical DC are born though, so no later misunderstandings

Yes, I think the Danes have provided a master class in how best NOT to do it, if I’m honest!

It’s all been a bit messy from The Danes. Not sure why.

I always thought of the Danes as an example to other royal houses on how to do things right (Prince Joachim's divorce, announcing in advance that Mary and Frederik's youngest children wouldn't get government funding etc). But I think this decision is awful - doesn't save the taxpayer any money and upsets children and young adults who've spent their entire life being referred to as Prince/Princess. Must be very jarring to be told that you need to start using a new name at their age.

Please stop gaslighting and making personal attacks.

The Cut article said the exact opposite to what you claimed it said (meaning you lied), and you clearly cannot provide a jot of evidence that your allegations against Meghan are true.

Clearly the things you are saying are untrue.

Going back to Prince Harry's children, my guess would be they have known for a long time this was coming and the children will not be Prince/Princess and this is part of slimming down the monarchy. After all titles are a reminder of who's family they were born in which frankly in this day and age is not relevant. If they don't slim down and get rid of all this status driven titles, - which do not mean much except represent privilege by virtue of being born in the family -, they will not survive. By the way this goes for the rest of the family too.