Prince Archie & Princess Lilibet?

[susan12345678]

Surely not?

I look forward to Harry's announcement explaining that they will decline prince and princess titles for their DC, in keeping with their decision to stand down as senior royals and live private lives in the US.

Anything less under the circumstances would be rank hypocrisy

But how is W&K updating their official title any different to Charles immediately being called King? It’s the way the protocol works. The changes in title are immediate unless the title needs to be formally observed such as Prince of Wales/Duke of Edinburgh

ive seen a few articles published last night already referring to Prince Archie and Princess Lilibet so it will be interesting to see what Harry and Meghan do. Decline the titles and carry on insisting they were never offered or accept the titles and look like huge hypocrites. They’ve backed themselves into a corner.

it was always known that they wouldn’t have a title until The Queen died due to the letters patent which is why it made me so cross the Meghan said what she did. Even if she didn’t know, Harry certainly would have known. It also showed how piss poor Oprah is as a journalist - if she’d done her research she should have queried it. It was widely publicised at the time of Archie’s birth.

I agree they backed themselves into a corner.

This is what all royal experts said would happen when she insisted that she was told that Archie would never be a prince on Oprah. She either didn’t understand or deliberately misunderstood to create a drama.

I think she was just depending on most Americans not having the first clue how royal succession actually works - beyond what they’ve seen in The Prince and Me!

Meghan said on Oprah Charles wanted to change the rules to stop Archie being a Prince because of his race. Interestingly I'm Finding Freedom (the book by Omid Scobie which Meghan and Harry provided some briefing for) it says that Meghan and Harry refused titles for Archie because they wanted him to have a more normal life.

It is only now that Meghan and Harry's children are entitled to the royal HRH style and Prince/ Princess titles. I expect they will use them because the Sussexes use their titles in every single situation.

Yesterday. I saw screencaps on Twitter yesterday, maybe two hours after the Queen's death was announced. I don't know when they changed it but certainly less than two hours after the death was announced.

Of course it's staff who changed it! I doubt any royal personally handles their social media. But staff wouldn't do it except on command. Of course they're entitled to use the new titles, it's just bad optics and looks crass and grabby to run to change your social media profile while your grandmother's body is still warm.

So sorry, I wasn't intending to imply you were dumb. 💐
Just that it's a well known name in the UK so no one would associate it with being dumb and I don't believe Meghan ever thought or said it.

There's a lot of misinformation regarding what Meghan actually said on Oprah. Meghan never said she expected her children to have Prince/Princess titles from birth or that Archie had been denied a Prince title, but was speaking of plans for the future. She worded it poorly and not articulately but it's pretty clear she was talking about his title after Charles takes the throne, and plans for Charles to issue new Letters Patent after becoming King which would prevent Archie and Lili from having the titles all monarch's grandchildren are automatically granted, rather than talking about Archie's title at birth.

Charles is on record as saying he wants to slim the monarchy so him planning to make changes to the letter patent after he becomes King isn't implausible. I don't think it's at all unlikely that Charles discussed changing the rule that all grandchildren are automatically prince or princess. Whether Charles does issue new Letters Patent remains to be seen. It's possible he was planning to make the changes Meghan claimed but has since changed his mind. There's been so much media coverage of it that I doubt Charles could go through with it now, if that was his original plan.

I don't see what the problem is. Harry and Meghan both still have HRH and Prince/Princess titles but neither of them use their HRH and Meghan's never used her Princess title. Easiest solution is for them to do the same for their children, don't reject the titles as that would be perceived as snubbing and rejecting the King but just don't use them.

I expect they will use them because the Sussexes use their titles in every single situation.

When was the last time they used their HRHs?

Of course it's staff who changed it! I doubt any royal personally handles their social media. But staff wouldn't do it except on command. Of course they're entitled to use the new titles, it's just bad optics and looks crass and grabby to run to change your social media profile while your grandmother's body is still warm.

Oh for goodness sake it's protocol. I hardly think William or Kate were even bothered by senior staff, a decision was made by senior staff to just do it. 'Ere Wills, I know your granny has died but can we update the old Twitter? Wills - 'yeah bash on mate'.

If it's protocol then how come Charles, who has been practicing every moment of this for decades, didn't also do it?

And they used their Duke and Duchess titles for their recent podcast.

Because every man and their dog know he's King.

To the person who said that Meghan has never used her Princess title, I suspect it is because she can only be called Princess Harry, not Princess
Meghan.

Regardless of titles, I hope this sad event leads to Harry being reconciled with his family. It feels possible.

I thought the issue raised in the interview with titles was not the titles themselves but the security that came with it.

Titles don't mean you're automatically granted security. Princess Anne and the Wessexs only get it while on Royal engagements. The York's don't get any. They're all HRH

She made the mistake of bringing something up that was at best unconfirmed and at worst misunderstood as evidence that she’s had a rough time in the family.

But is has been long known that Charles was in favour of a slimmed down royal family.

If they were looking for a quiet life then why do the titles matter? She suggested that is was a racist move and that they were putting the children in danger. But they also didn’t want to do the work.

I think the king did well in his speech to speak so graciously about them both. Hopefully it shows that he wants them to have a good life- whatever they might suggest in interviews.

we all know that Charles wants a slimmed down monarchy but that always meant him, his two sons and their families. If he never meant to include Harry in that because he’s no longer a direct heir then surely he would have had long conversations with his son to that effect long before H even met M, so the argument that he’s planning to amend the letters patent doesn’t really make sense because it only really impacts his own son

And considering Anne was genuinely the target of an abduction attempt she would be most concerned about security!

For goodness sake give it a rest! Just stop with the hate already!
It's their birth right! They have more right than Catherine to be Prince and Princess.

He has reconciled with his family they have been somewhat apologetic with gifts from Charles and Camilla being sent back to LA with them for the children. People don't want this because it doesn't fit the narrative.

And considering Anne was genuinely the target of an abduction attempt she would be most concerned about security!

And she's probably shown that she's the last one anyone should want to take on!

They might have been apologetic and they might not. But when I've sent gifts to my grandchildren, it didn't mean that I was apologising to my children for being annoyed at idiotic things they'd said. 😂

He has reconciled with his family they have been somewhat apologetic with gifts from Charles and Camilla being sent back to LA with them for the children.

What have they got to be apologetic for?

Harry and Meghan would have been perfect for taking on the work of the Princes Trust now that Charles is king.

I agree. I can't believe people think this was some crass decision by William and Kate. That is so untypical of their behaviour.

Do you mean Harry and Meghan were apologetic?

I completely agree. Meghan talks about ambition and that is the aim of The Princes Trust, to give ambition to people. They would have been perfect to combine that with the Invictus games. It’s a real shame.