Prince Archie & Princess Lilibet?

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Surely not?

I look forward to Harry's announcement explaining that they will decline prince and princess titles for their DC, in keeping with their decision to stand down as senior royals and live private lives in the US.

Anything less under the circumstances would be rank hypocrisy

But I think it's more likely - slimmed down monarch and all that - that the change would be for it to be grandchildren of the monarch in the direct line of succession to be prince/ss. So George's DC would all have that royal style, and none of the DC of younger siblings (though they might get aristocratic titles if a parent was ennobled on marriage)

Yes I agree. The trend is, and should be, towards fewer if any titles for royals not in the direct line of succession. I wouldn't be surprised if the tradition of 'ennobling' children on marriage also goes by the wayside. But if it's retained, it should be equal for both sexes. The Swedish princesses are duchesses in their own right I believe.

Just got a post deleted by Mumsnet 😅 history repeats itself it is getting boring. Wonder who reported it 🫡 😃

Facts are facts. It does not make Meghan look any better. Newton laws apply to everyone (you know who you are)

antelopevalley · 21/09/2022 15:26
Edward tried to make it independently and failed.

But he did find an excellent wife for himself when he was "an ordinary working man". So that's a plus

OTOH she got into a terrible position after the 'fake sheikh' scandal, and it took 20 years of solid work at the less eye-catching duties before they were rehabilitated. I think their experience is why 'half in half out' is simply not a possibility. And in those early days she was seen as anything but an asset.

I think she was right when she said something along the lines of "we're doing now what we've always done, but now the press are reporting on it more"

And I'd like to see even more reporting on her work in the areas against VAWG, FGM and rape as a tool of war

Yet when Meghan fans say things, everyone gangs up on them to demand proof and call them liars. Saying "sorry it's not my job to give you proof" isn't acceptable when it's Meghan fans saying it, but Meghan haters say it all the time and no one gives them a hard time.

Obviously Meghan does not FREQUENTLY refer to herself as Princess. That's ludicrous. If there was proof she refers to herself as Princess even occasionally you'd be all over this thread crowing about it. She clearly does not do it "frequently."

I haven't read the Cut article since I'm not obsessed with her like you but I googled it and did a search feature for the word princess, which appears only four times, mainly in use by the journalist and not Meghan herself.

In fact Meghan uses the word "princess" only once in the Cut piece that you keep banging on about, and that sole reference is about other people using the word. This is the sole quote from the article where Meghan uses the word princess:

"I was conscious of the fact that there are little girls that I meet and they’re just like, ‘Oh my God, it’s a real-life princess.’ ”

^The thing with Sophie is that the Queen and the Firm protected her, even though her scandal was far worse than anything Meghan allegedly did (like not wearing tights, or having scented candles) during the period after the wedding where Meghan was being slammed constantly in the press and the palace were not protecting her at all.

Even the Queen personally and directly asked the press to leave Sophie alone, which they never did for Meghan.

She went from Protestant to Anglican, which are basically the same thing, just slightly different types of Christianity. She was never Jewish nor Catholic.

Even the Queen personally and directly asked the press to leave Sophie alone, which they never did for Meghan

I don't remember this - do you have a link? It must have been in 2001, and I'm finding it hard to be sure that I've found everything (only excerpts from what's described as a "lengthy" Palace statement on Mail claims - nothing from the Queen and nothing saying 'leave alone' - but perhaps someone has more?)

To - maybe - get back on topic, Queen Margrethe of Denmark has just announced that the 4 children of her younger son, Prince Joachim, will lose their prince and princess titles as of 1st January next year.

The trend throughout Europe is definitely towards 'slimmed down' royal families.

That's interesting IcedPurple

Countess Alexandra's secretary Helle von Wildenrath Løvgreen explains to BILLED-BLADET that Countess Alexandra, Prince Joachim and Princess Marie are deeply shocked by the change in their children's titles.
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Countess Alexandra (Joachim’s ex-wife) has said the following:
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‘We are all confused by the decision. We are saddened and in shock. This comes like a bolt from the blue. The children feel ostracized. They cannot understand why their identity is being taken away from them.’
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Her press secretary also added that Alexandra is too shocked by this development to comment further.

— taken from Billed Bladet.

Very interesting. Am I right in saying another monarch has done similar ?
I think this would go down well in the U.K.

Princess Madeleine responded to the news on Instagram, writing: "Earlier today, the court announced that Leonore, Nicolas and Adrienne will no longer belong to the royal house. This change has been planned for a long time. Chris and I think it's good that our children are now getting a greater opportunity to shape their own lives as private individuals in the future."
Prince Carl Philip also shared his thoughts on Instagram, writing: "Today, the King announced the decision that our children no longer hold the Royal Highness position. We see this as positive as Alexander and Gabriel will have freer choices in life."

Sorry that last sentence isn’t quite right...Alexandra is feeling too deeply affected by this announcement to be able to comment further, might be a better translation.

Doesn’t seem like any of them had much prior notice of this decision.

Interestingly, Joachim and Marie were due to attend the gala dinner held last week (I think?), the one that Daisy had to forego as she was ill, but at the last minute it was announced that they would not be attending. I wondered why at the time since no explanation was given. However (and it is only speculation!) whether this might have something to do with it.

It does seem a bit harsh to take titles away from people who had grown up with them. Joachim's 2 eldest sons are both adults. I think they had already been demoted to 'HH' rather than 'HRH' a few years ago.

Then again, I think the mood throughout Europe is for smaller royal families, so this is probably the right move on Margrethe's part. I'm sure her grandsons will manage fine.

Yes but there’s a bit of a difference IMO - certainly for Nikolai and Felix who are adults. For them it will be a much bigger change than it was for Madeleine’s children who are still very young. Even Henrik and Athena are older children/pre-teens now and will have been brought up with Prince and Princess as a big part of their identity.

Hopefully this will encourage King Charles

The King of Sweden did something similar a few years ago, in that he took the HRH style away from his grandchildren, other than the son and daughter of Crown Princess Victoria. However, they remain Prince and Princess and also have dukedoms which I think is hilarious given that they're only kids!

I agree that something along these lines would also be popular in Britain. It will be interesting to see what Charles does. Would he go so far as to remove the York sisters' royal titles?

I can understand, of course, why it’s being done. And of course they couldn’t remove the younger children’s titles without also removing those belonging to the older ones. But it does seem rather late in the day to be making this change.

I read somewhere that they would have lost their titles anyway once they got married, so it does seem a bit harsh, especially if they and their parents were not kept informed.

Maybe a better move would have been to draw up letters patent saying that only the children of Crown Prince Frederick's eldest son would have royal titles in the future? Or has that already been done in Denmark?

I think that has been done already (IIRC).

Oh haha I thought this was on a totally different thread!

Ah well.

It’s the sensible thing to do, long-term, for sure. But I’m a little surprised that it was done in this way. I’d have expected the individuals involved to have been given more notice.

I'd also never name my child that. I wouldn't be surprised if that was done deliberately. There must be some very spiteful people in that family.

I really think the queen should have done something similar years ago, when she issued the letters patent before George was born. She could have stipulated that henceforth, only the children of the heir will be prince or princess. In not doing so, she has put Charles in a rather awkward position.