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With another podcast set for release this week, The Sunday Times has a piece addressing Harry and Meghan's apparent strategy:

Courtiers are bemused by the Sussexes’ determination to rage against the past. As Davis observed of Meghan in her article: “She has taken a hardship and turned it into content.” A source who knows the Sussexes questions why Meghan “is constantly looking back at how awful it was to briefly be a royal. What does success look like, is it a number in the bank? Is it that they’ve killed off the monarchy?” Another Palace source says: “Ultimately they are bashing the institution that has put them in the position they’re in, the longevity of that strategy is not sustainable.”

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/harry-and-meghan-keep-bashing-the-monarchy-because-its-good-business-royals-believe-nq29p6g7z

I'm curious about their strategy, too. They seem to think that criticizing the royal makes them look better - it really doesn't. Instead, it just makes them look petty and increasingly irrelevant.

Great point.

I agree. His face didn't fit and neither did the rest of him - too loud, too brash, too likely to tell embarrassing stories about her and pull away the carefully cultivated image. She was embarrassed by him. He's behaved like a chump no denying it, but his behaviour seems to have been escalating over time, almost certainly encouraged by his other children and the likes of Dan Wootten who conveniently calls himself Tom Markle's "friend". He's an old man. I look at my own father who is the same age and he is definitely less dynamic and far less able to be agreeable and find the right, diplomatic words when dealing with family issues than he used to be able to.

Regardless what you think - Meghan won her case against the Daily Mail. The daily mail failed in its appeal. Please read the actual judgement and the appeal judgement - the appeal judgement Section 57 and 58 address many of the points in this thread.

Actually the court documents don’t, as Meghan’s case was decided at summary judgement stage with none of the evidence being heard and tested. The legal issues were determined in Meghan’s favour, meaning we don’t actually know what the factual evidence would have been.

I think the royal family is an absolutely seething sea of pyrrhic victories at the moment.

It was a Pyrrhic victory because the case shone a light on so many things

@Derxa such a x-post

Such a great phrase though! Who doesn’t love the chance to use it 😀

I know

Except when that dirty laundry is about Meghan or Harry, right?

Meghan one as she was deemed to be still the owner of the letter and the mail therefore shouldn’t have published segments of the letter.

Therefore the point about the friends never was tried in court

One - should have read won

Craig Brown appears to have had privileged advance access to a future podcast with Imelda Marcos. Usually he writes satire but this is speaks of accuracy...

(Side issue - I had assumed Imelda was dead but Google tells me she is 93 years old and very appreciative of the honour of being invited for a chat with Meghan).

Sorry for the picture on my phone. If you need a better image I can scan it in.

Oh it's all William's fault now? Before it was Prince Charles' - terrible Dad, and Camilla, oh and Kate making Meghan cry, see also Meghan's Dad, then all the senior courtiers/men in grey suits, oh don't forget Angela Kelly and Harry's horrible sexist/misogynistic/transphobic entire friendship group...who have I missed?

The only ones NOT at fault though are Meghan and Harry. Got it 😉

For me, Meghan's family relationships would be the number one thing that I think we should avoid airing.

Meghan having crafted a letter to her father for public consumption and her friends having leaked it.

H&M collaborating on FF then pretending that giving info to an employee to pass to the author was not collaboration.

A zillion other things I wish we didn't even know.

Jason Knauf. A true pantomime villain

I speak to different people from the states.

Clearly. I can't imagine that you and I would have any friends in common.

Philip had been sick more and more over his last year and in his final six months he looked ghastly - the clock was ticking for him regardless of whether or not his grandson gave that interview.

Are you aware how utterly callous that sounds? You're literally saying 'He was an old man, he was going to die, so what's the difference if he died knowing his grandson had betrayed their family in a disgraceful interview full of lies?'

I can see why you feel such affinity with Meghan and Harry - you're cut from the same cloth.

All of it

“People are desperate for steps to be made but behind the scenes there hasn’t been movement,” explains a family friend. “What [Harry] is waiting for is accountability… Many lines were crossed by William. He was at the centre of a number of painful moments, be it the actions of his own staff or turning his back when support was needed. It was a dark time and one that, so far, William has been unprepared to unpack.”

Presumably H is oblivious as to how pathetic & weasely this leak makes him look

Friends discussed in judgement

What an unpleasant person you are

Right back at you. What you wrote in your earlier post was deeply unpleasant.

Friends discussed in judgement

No witness testimony ever called or tested as to the circumstances of their (a) knowing about the letter in detail and (b) voluntarily taking (inaccurate) summaries of it to People magazine to be published (c) apparently without Meghan’s knowledge or consent. All of which is not remotely credible. Luckily for Meghan, however, we will never know if this is another matter where she had an unfortunate lapse of memory…

It actually was not. People die all the time. Imminent death does not mean that people should not express what they feel if it is unpleasant. This is said as someone who deals with death, dying and interpersonal relationships. Some people who are dying look like they are dying. He looked like he was dying.

It actually was not. People die all the time. Imminent death does not mean that people should not express what they feel if it is unpleasant.

I think that's exactly what it means actually. It's just common decency. It's useful to see this opinion though because it genuinely helps me to decide how much value to attach to your posts on here. Very little.