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With another podcast set for release this week, The Sunday Times has a piece addressing Harry and Meghan's apparent strategy:

Courtiers are bemused by the Sussexes’ determination to rage against the past. As Davis observed of Meghan in her article: “She has taken a hardship and turned it into content.” A source who knows the Sussexes questions why Meghan “is constantly looking back at how awful it was to briefly be a royal. What does success look like, is it a number in the bank? Is it that they’ve killed off the monarchy?” Another Palace source says: “Ultimately they are bashing the institution that has put them in the position they’re in, the longevity of that strategy is not sustainable.”

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/harry-and-meghan-keep-bashing-the-monarchy-because-its-good-business-royals-believe-nq29p6g7z

I'm curious about their strategy, too. They seem to think that criticizing the royal makes them look better - it really doesn't. Instead, it just makes them look petty and increasingly irrelevant.

And I'll never get my head round why people can never actually defend her behaviour other than What Abouting about other members of the BRF or "racism!"

Well..she was right wasn't she?
The MSM were merciless..."straight outta Compton"

What gets me is her insistence that she's a 'working mom', and wants to relate to other working moms. Please.

I think it’s the continuous nature of it with H&M. It might have all died down if they had gone to live a quiet life in the US (ie with the privacy they pretended to want). But there are continual interviews, podcasts, photo opportunities, very public activities. Most people just want it to stop.

Their wedding was celebrated by the nation - both here and in the US. I remember going to a friend’s to watch it. It was party like. There were loads of people there on the streets. To suggest we are all racist, which is the undertone of your post, just doesn’t tie up with this.

amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/03/meghan-harry-duke-duchess-sussex-media-blitz

High brow, left leaning / liberal anti racist US media (Washington Post, the New Yorker, CNN), African American commentary (as well as Nelson Madenlas family) is at best looking sceptical and fatigued and at worst critical of their behaviour and tone.

Seems that it is unraveling already with their intended base by their own direct actions and words.

This could have been an amazing opportunity inside or outside the RF to use a huge platform of influence to positively impact vulnerable people and important causes globally even if the money and power motivations were there - but the grandiosity, delusional, vengeful, fixated and brittle emotional under current is transparent and likely undone their best efforts.

I remember all the 'There's just something about her I don't like' and 'She's uppity' posts and commentary. She said something very interesting r.e. being treated like a black woman when she joined the royal family whereas she'd always been treated as 'mixed'. For those not in the know the treatment of these two groups in society is pretty much like chalk and cheese. I completely understand how she became a 'black woman' once she joined the royal family. One of her in-laws even welcomed her into the fold with a specially designed racist brooch. It must have been so fun.

The MSM were merciless..."straight outta Compton"

Was awful. As was the photo the disgusting Danny Baker put up. Thankfully there was strenuous push back. Those two times are wheeled out over and over though. Almost as though there wasn't and isn't a consistent racial basis for criticism.

I like how they managed to slip into the country in a commercial flight ( admirable) then made sure we all knew about it via Hello magazine.
Do they want press intrusion or not?!

The general public's dislike for Fergie and her antics/tone deafness was undiluted back in the day. Very little mercy shown bar a few 'breath of fresh air' types at the beginning. And she is bright white.

H & M would be far better off looking forward and pushing ahead with their various charitable causes, you cant slag someone off who's doing good (or at least it's more difficult). By continuously talking about the RF negativity, just gives the press the ability to slate her even more.

I agree, and the fact she didn't mention her time in the RF on podcast no. 2 appears to go unnoticed and not commented on and still there's threads about her podcasts. Why?

But she did give an interview talking about the racism she experienced after a black actor was cast as her father on "Suits":

Landing her role as Rachel Zane in Suits was the "Goldilocks" of her acting career. "The show's producers weren't looking for someone mixed, nor someone white or black for that matter. They were simply looking for Rachel," she wrote.

But even then after series two, when the producers chose to cast Rachel's father as a dark-skinned African American man, Meghan faced racist comments. "'Why would they make her dad black? She's not black' to 'Ew, she's black? I used to think she was hot,'" Meghan wrote.

Things like that don't excuse the "straight outta Compton" thing - nothing could - but suggesting someone can't be attractive if they're black is awful too.

Another thing that's peculiar is the British mindset of being wedded to subjugation. The RF are pretty much leeches. Imagine being born 'royal'. Gladly a lot of people are starting to question it and William's going to have a hard time on his hands keeping them relevant. Really after the Queen everyone should go get a job.

@Roussette I agree, and the fact she didn't mention her time in the RF on podcast no. 2 appears to go unnoticed and not commented on and still there's threads about her podcasts. Why

It will take years and years of 'no comment' from H&M to get back in the UKs good books. I'm old enough to remember the hatred and vitriol towards the queen following Diana's death. It took until the queens jubilee and various other royal events to hear about the RF in a positive way. A good 10 years I think.

It might. But not much.

"Waity-Katie" was in the papers for YEARS with not much positive about her because she wasn't married yet she was essentially pretending at working while "waiting". She basically only started to get more consistently good coverage when MM became the new girl.

Princesses Béatrice and Euginie had quite a lot of horrible press about the way they looked, be it "unflattering" (I thought "normal") photos of one of them in swimwear just after she turned 18, or them also doing nothing much other than riding in coattails. It's dampened down over the years too.

Prince Charles barely has any run of good press. He's had a lifetime of being a national joke. Now there's an attempt to turn that around, but the damage runs deep.

Diana also had shocking news coverage for a long time.

And Sarah Ferguson, well my god. I can't think of anybody who has been ridiculed so much across basically every press outlet. I'm not actually sure how she survived. She attempted to break free from it with a life in the states, but was ridiculed about that too. And virtually every article about her for years and years and years talked about her appearance - and none of it positive. The fat shaming she got wasn't even subtle. For years.

I am not a follower of the RF, but I'm not blind to photos and headlines and am commenting on the general trends in reporting of these people.

MM is, if anything, being treated with kid gloves in comparison to how the above were dealt with in the press. I'm not saying that's a high bar to measure against, but she's certainly not being treated worse than them. And yet she's actually done and continues to do things that put her in the public eye and link her to the RF.

I get there's dog whistle racist remarks in a few articles - a few - and that's a whole other level of unacceptable. But criticism of her actions and even ridicule of her actions is not the same thing as racism at all, because in the context of reporting on the RF, she has done FAR more than the others to warrant coverage (moving abroad, interview with Oprah etc), plus ACTIVELY seeks it (publishing a book, contributing to books, signing with Netflix, making a podcast - these are things that all involve press attention for ratings/income streams).

The stuff in the Daily Mail probably is racist. But I'm not sure the racist accusations work when you get to the comments made by Nelson Mandela's grandson or the somewhat confused South African Lion King (cast / crew / creators?)

Yes, the “straight outta Compton” headline was vile and inexcusable.

BUT there was a huge backlash.

same with Danny Baker.

there was outrage.

and when Princess Michael wore that brooch, the paper and the public were United about what a racist thing it was.

really horrid that these things happened, but the reaction to them showed that it was not supported and it was not acceptable.
and I think that is important to remember.

I am not a royal fan, but I do think that the main royals aren’t leeches. Charles and Camilla do loads of engagements and charity work - despite the fact that they are way over retirement age. The RF brings a lot of interest to the UK. People want to go to the palace etc. It’s kind of a cultural thing.

I actually liked MM far more than I liked the RF. I watched her in suits and thought it would be really cool to have her in the RF. But I can’t stand the continual sniping.

Those who are citing racism as the reason for the general dislike of MM’s behaviour - why do you assume all the posters who dislike her are white?

I mean, Zwelivelile Mandela didn’t seem exactly blown away by her behaviour.

I see Omid is praising them for praising someone else
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I think that might be the sound of a barrel being scraped somewhere

She has had a way easier ride than Fergie. Easier x 10

I agree with this and can’t for the life of me understand how the supposedly liberal / left leaning / humanitarian MM could square it with her own gut to date never mind marry into and grease the wheels of this archaic, parasitic institution.

I agree with pp about Fergie. People forget or are too young to remember. It was unrelenting & vile. Her dds were young girls 18 I think when the press started on them.

I agree with this and can’t for the life of me understand how the supposedly liberal / left leaning / humanitarian MM could square it with her own gut to date never mind marry into and grease the wheels of this archaic, parasitic institution.

I think she thought that "Prince" = Disney Prince.

She had zero understanding of what a RF is or actually does.