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With another podcast set for release this week, The Sunday Times has a piece addressing Harry and Meghan's apparent strategy:

Courtiers are bemused by the Sussexes’ determination to rage against the past. As Davis observed of Meghan in her article: “She has taken a hardship and turned it into content.” A source who knows the Sussexes questions why Meghan “is constantly looking back at how awful it was to briefly be a royal. What does success look like, is it a number in the bank? Is it that they’ve killed off the monarchy?” Another Palace source says: “Ultimately they are bashing the institution that has put them in the position they’re in, the longevity of that strategy is not sustainable.”

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/harry-and-meghan-keep-bashing-the-monarchy-because-its-good-business-royals-believe-nq29p6g7z

I'm curious about their strategy, too. They seem to think that criticizing the royal makes them look better - it really doesn't. Instead, it just makes them look petty and increasingly irrelevant.

I think they’re best ignored. I don’t think she has a strategy to do anything in particular other than make each month’s mortgage payment and security bill.
And taking short term gigs that get them through for now.
I think if they thought strategically and with longevity in mind they would stop criticising the RF and start looking at positive things they could do, collaborating with creative experts etc, making good stuff.
I also think they are being milked by ruthless media etc and celebrity friends whilst they are still Bankable as everyone knows they are moving into irrelevance as they get older/ less interesting. It’s not personal, it happens to everyone, love island stars and former royals alike.

True. I think they're leeches but if Harry or William had asked me out I'd have been in my little black dress within 10 minutes. Imagine a life basically prancing around castles wearing a tiara and shaking a few hands from time to time. Untold wealth and diamonds. A little bell you can ring by your bedside table which you can order just about anything with. A life of no work, just luxury. A life in which your every whim is catered to. You don't even have to wipe your own arse if you choose not to. Sign me up! I've sometimes had to work 2 jobs / opposing shifts to pay rent. God knows I'd have needed a prince.

The royal family have got her sussed. Interactions with them are simply fodder for her self promotion. Hence they have sidelined the couple. Sad all round, but they've made their bed.

I'm a working mom too....hold on while I pop onto my private jet 🤣🤣

The rf family aren’t “ Leaches” anymore that the PM is. They are part of our constitution. Absolutely true we don’t need loads of them and the hangers on can go get jobs but we do need a small core family. Charles recognises this as does William going forward but Harry doesn’t get it imo.
I also agree many of them work hard opening things. Anne for example . And people love it when a royal rocks up to open the garden fete or whatever.
It’s a hard job imo and not one I envy at all.

When women speak up about sexism and the functions of inbuilt systems of patriarchy (tampon tax, rape and D&V statistics , unequal division of labour in the household, unequal pay, gendered language) there will always be men who will insist that men are being censured all the time for their actions. They will insist that systems favouring men absolutely do not exist and that women who speak up about things like this are exaggerating.

It is the same with racism. Many black people read the same papers you do, consume the same media you do, have the the same politicians you do and we see, hear and read the discriminatory language. We hear how people talk about certain people in the public eye and even though they don’t call them anything inflammatory we know why. Just like you know why something is happening because you’re a woman - sometimes we know that things are happening because of race. It’s a really fun head scratcher as a black woman trying to figure out sometimes if something is happening because I’m a woman or if it’s happening because I’m black 🤣.

People of colour are and can be critical of Meghan - but there’s a tone that is sometimes difficult to escape from certain people. You must admit that some of the language to discuss Meghan is very gendered - believe us when we say that some of the language also prejudiced.

So - please don’t dismiss the very valid feeling from people of colour. You can criticise Meghan but perhaps when someone brings up something about race you may not understand it’s best to stop, ask and listen.

That is if you are interested in being an anti racist of course. If you simply just don’t want people to call you racist then I’m afraid this will continue to happen for the reasons stated above.

Hope this helps

Imagine a life basically prancing around castles wearing a tiara and shaking a few hands from time to time
I don't think it's that great a life tbh. I think if you marry someone from the RF you have to truly love and respect the person, understand what that life entails and have the hide of a rhinoceros.

Nah.

Not from the blood, sweat and tears of hundreds of years of exploitation around the globe and the grafters today busting their balls on minimum wage to fund these parasites.

She knew well where their money comes from and how the system leeches off others and was happy to get her snout in the trough.

No principles. Hypocrite.

Andrew isnt currently being discussed as he's keeping his head down. I'm sure if he was making podcasts and giving interviews, then there would be several threads on him too.

If Meghan wants a quiet life away from the royals, then I'm sure she could have that. People on here aren't "obsessed" with her; they're discussing a recently released podcast and interview, and many of the comments on these threads have defended her.

I'm not comparing Andrew to Meghan BTW. Just making a point about why one is being discussed and the other isn't.

In the old days, the press would set up stings against the RF. Anyone remember the fake sheik and Sophie? She was entrapped and as a direct consequence had to leave her job.

agree with @daretodenim. I recall Sophie, Edwards wife was also targeted too.

Plus - for me this is the biggie - you have a voice. You can pick up the phone to Obama, David Attenborough, the Dalai Lama, whoever..and they listen!

And yet, Meghan had that and apparently hated every minute to the extent she wanted out asap.
Clearly, all is not what it seemed.

Good points, @skullbabe

I really think these lazy accusations of racism should just be ignored entirely

I couldn't agree more, LondonWolf. Where there's actual evidence - (almost) straight outta Compton, Danny Baker, Princess Michael's blackamoor brooch, etc. - any normal person would point it out, but otherwise why rise to obvious baiting?

I think that’s a great point we should absolutely get rid of the lot of them. In no other democracy would the child of the head of state become the next head of state and taxpayers be beholden in perpetuity to fund the extended family of the head of state.

Also in no other democracy is the head of state exempt for laws they don’t like or no accountable to the public via the Freedom of Information Act.

So agreed @DFOD - whilst the British public are struggling - the Head of State and her family continue to live lives of luxury, flying everywhere on helicopters and private jets, stealing land (Duchy of Cornwall), protecting awful behaviour and activities (so yes of course Andrew, but the future king and his wads of cash, William and his threatening of C4) being overall wastes of space.

Many posters get upset about whataboutism when it comes the the Sussexes - I suppose that is why I’m bemused by the particular rage people feel about Meghan - because they are all at it.

The sooner we get rid of the lot of them the better.

@VladmirsPoutine

I do recall Fergie being referred to as the Duchess of Pork by one of the tabloids so yes she did get some stick, a lot of stick infact.

I find it ‘remarkable’ that you focus only on her race and ignore the many, many egregious examples of utterly appalling, toxic behaviour she exhibits.

Why are you excusing her ruthlessness in mercilessly throwing her own and her husband’s family under the bus over and over? Why are you ignoring her hypocrisy in preaching endlessly about kindness and compassion, while practicing none of it herself?

What’s causing you to overlook all this?

The press behave appallingly to all royal women, unfortunately. The difference between Meghan and Kate, Diana, Fergie etc is Meghan’s own conduct.

Is there racism in society and the media? For sure. Has Meghan come in for a dose of that? Absolutely. And it’s disgusting.

But does this somehow magically make her incapable of conducting herself in nasty, toxic, vindictive, self-serving ways? No. It doesn’t. And the evidence of her own actions and words proves it. That’s what most people dislike about her, not the colour of her skin.

I agree. I would hate the lack of freedom to just go out and do whatever I wanted at a moment’s notice. The lack of privacy with security and staff about all the time. Not to mention the constant criticism about everything that they say, do and wear. Even on here there’s endless criticism about Kate’s weight, is she smiling too much, is she working enough, how much did her dress cost?

I don’t think I can respect anyone who didn’t even bother to do a small amount of research into what being in the Royal Family entailed (or asked Harry?). We all know it would be awful and
boring.
I wonder if she thought the life would be more like Diana’s life post-divorce where she had more control and chose the work she was doing, as well as all the glamour and holidays.

I thought she would be part of a stripped down modern monarchy, more European and was looking forward to the change. Now I think she’s an ex-actor, married to a prince without anything particular worthwhile to say.

Argh! Quote fail. I was referring to this post from VladimirsPoutine.

VladmirsPoutine · Today 08:18
Wow. The hate bandwagon continues unabashed. It's interesting, out of all the women who married into the RF and had their fair share of criticism there's something that separates Meghan. I can't work out what it is. Something different about her than say Kate or Fergie. All women but one is just different. Can't seem to work it out though

It’s note ‘hate’ to despise somebody else’s hateful conduct. Even if they have a different skin tone to one’s own.

Not to derail but I'm reading a book about surrogacy. This line sprung out at me "the archetype of the altruistic woman coexists with that of the possessive and toxic woman who dominates and devours if she is not given limits".
That would make a great topic for Megan's archetypes.

'High brow, left leaning / liberal anti racist US media (Washington Post, the New Yorker, CNN), African American commentary (as well as Nelson Madenlas family) is at best looking sceptical and fatigued and at worst critical of their behaviour and tone. Seems that it is unraveling already with their intended base by their own direct actions and words.'

This.

It is their behaviour that is the problem and as predicted more and more folk are seeing straight through them. Time to regroup and change their victim strategy.

If I was her, I’d go back to acting. Harry can do the childcare, and his Invictus Games.

Acting would give her something to talk about other than herself, and would provide the attention she seems to need.

She comes across as someone who needs to be working to be happy.

I expect if PA was dropping a podcast episode to puff himself off once a week, there’d be similarly long threads about him as well.

He’s utterly odious.

Though one difference that I think comes into play is that he’s not - deliberately at least - trying to destroy the monarchy. That’s a big part of what gets peoples goats about Meghan.