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susan12345678 · 04/09/2022 05:49

With another podcast set for release this week, The Sunday Times has a piece addressing Harry and Meghan's apparent strategy:

Courtiers are bemused by the Sussexes’ determination to rage against the past. As Davis observed of Meghan in her article: “She has taken a hardship and turned it into content.” A source who knows the Sussexes questions why Meghan “is constantly looking back at how awful it was to briefly be a royal. What does success look like, is it a number in the bank? Is it that they’ve killed off the monarchy?” Another Palace source says: “Ultimately they are bashing the institution that has put them in the position they’re in, the longevity of that strategy is not sustainable.”

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/harry-and-meghan-keep-bashing-the-monarchy-because-its-good-business-royals-believe-nq29p6g7z

I'm curious about their strategy, too. They seem to think that criticizing the royal makes them look better - it really doesn't. Instead, it just makes them look petty and increasingly irrelevant.

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Ommommomm · 06/09/2022 08:45

I can’t quite put my finger on what it is about Meghan that feels so cringe. It’s that she is so……IDK, so unnatural? Even the way she holds herself, her walk, feels studied and carefully constructed. She needs to relax and not take herself so seriously.

Snog · 06/09/2022 08:47

I read that it cost £3k for delegates to attend or £4k with accommodation.
Travel not included.

Snog · 06/09/2022 08:48

I'm not sure why charities feel it's a good idea for H&M to represent them when they inevitably attract so much negative publicity.

maranella · 06/09/2022 08:53

@Roussette you don't see the irony in them taking an electric car to Euston and a train to Manchester (all faithfully recorded by their attendant Netflix camera crew, of course), when they're flying 12,000 miles to attend it? Commercial flight or not, their carbon footprint flying back and forth across the Atlantic umpteen times a year is ridiculous and makes them ill-placed to lecture anyone else on climate change. I suppose we're supposed to forget that they fly in private jets the rest of the time, just because they flew commercial on this one occasion Hmm

Ohnonevermind · 06/09/2022 08:56

Meghan’s speech is just vacuous, the whole thing is style over substance. She always seems over rehearsed (which however is better than under rehearsed - looking at you Boris) but being over - rehearsed means it’s very difficult to project sincerity

There’s no content in her speech

I read Terry Crews speech the year before where he spoke to the audience about toxic masculinity and abuse of power. He grew up in an abusive household and spent 7 years in the NFL before a successful Hollywood career so has personal experience

I’m not a fan of organisations like this one, especially seeing the huge salary of the CEI and her daughter. It’s seems a networking event operating under the guise of a charity using a few big hitters to draw them in.

queenofarles · 06/09/2022 08:57

Can someone point out what does this charity do?
From their website I’ve only seen their covid funds, and young lead Sponsorship Lead2030 , which is funded by partners not the charity itself.

Ohnonevermind · 06/09/2022 08:59

Its a networking event, I’m guessing for people working in the not for profit space.

This allows corporates to sponsor delegates etc.

Roussette · 06/09/2022 09:01

maranella · 06/09/2022 08:53

@Roussette you don't see the irony in them taking an electric car to Euston and a train to Manchester (all faithfully recorded by their attendant Netflix camera crew, of course), when they're flying 12,000 miles to attend it? Commercial flight or not, their carbon footprint flying back and forth across the Atlantic umpteen times a year is ridiculous and makes them ill-placed to lecture anyone else on climate change. I suppose we're supposed to forget that they fly in private jets the rest of the time, just because they flew commercial on this one occasion Hmm

No.

Are you saying they should never leave the US? Because that's what it sounds like. That is what I take from your post.
What is your definition of 'umpteen' times a year?
Does that mean Harry should not have attended his Grandfather's funeral or the two of them the Platinum Jubilee?

Do you have the same strong feelings about W&K off to the US shortly? Or their 'royal tour' all round the Caribbean? Or their holidays? You know... the couple we do pay for, as opposed for the couple we don't. And he lectures on climate change too. As does his father... endlessly and he's one of the worst for private jets.

susan12345678 · 06/09/2022 09:05

Do you have the same strong feelings about W&K off to the US shortly? Or their 'royal tour' all round the Caribbean? Or their holidays?

I think most people would agree that Prince William's role as a future king does warrant international travel, yes.

On the other hand, Harry and Meghan have no formal roles, no expertise and no justification for their OTT lifestyles and carbon footprints.

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Snog · 06/09/2022 09:08

Come on Rousette, Harry regularly uses a private jet just to play polo matches.

SilverLiningPlaybook · 06/09/2022 09:12

Roussette · 06/09/2022 08:03

And just for your info... they came on a commercial flight, not a private jet.

Commercial flight. Train. Electric car.
But let's knock them for it.

What did you think of the speech Rousette? Did you find it meaningful? What do you think about the work the charity does and do you feel they are doing genuine good? Enough to justify the salaries involved, the cost of attendance etc? Do you feel the impact on the planet of all the travel involved for all the attendees justified the output ?

Roussette · 06/09/2022 09:14

SilverLiningPlaybook · 06/09/2022 09:12

What did you think of the speech Rousette? Did you find it meaningful? What do you think about the work the charity does and do you feel they are doing genuine good? Enough to justify the salaries involved, the cost of attendance etc? Do you feel the impact on the planet of all the travel involved for all the attendees justified the output ?

Yes. I think the speech was good, a bit word salady but that's what she is like, it was well received. It doesn't have to be meaningful to me, but does to the young delegates.
I don't know a huge amount about the charity, but she has been involved for a number of years

"Do you feel the impact on the planet of all the travel involved for all the attendees justified the output ?"

I think that's something you need to take up with the Charity if you feel their work does not justify the output.

HeddaGarbled · 06/09/2022 09:17

I used to work with under-privileged young people and I am sure that being able to go to an event like this would have been the high-spot in lives that didn’t have many high-spots. Diss Meghan if you want, but don’t diss the event based on a few snarky and ill-informed remarks on Mumsnet.

susan12345678 · 06/09/2022 09:19

Yes. I think the speech was good, a bit word salady but that's what she is like, it was well received. It doesn't have to be meaningful to me, but does to the young delegates

What do you think were the main takeaways for the young delegates from the speech?

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susan12345678 · 06/09/2022 09:23

I used to work with under-privileged young people and I am sure that being able to go to an event like this would have been the high-spot in lives that didn’t have many high-spots

Given the vast sums involved, I'd hazard to guess that most 'under-privileged young people would prefer practical help (such as that provided by the Princes' Trust, for example, which has changed many lives).

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Ommommomm · 06/09/2022 09:23

Wow. Anyone who actually thinks the speech was good has extremely low expectations. The keynote was supposed to be about gender equality. Instead Meghan mentioned herself 54 times in 7 minutes. That is quite extraordinary.

Readinginthesun · 06/09/2022 09:25

As I said earlier , I thought she looked great . To me she looks better in trouser combos rather than dresses which never seem to fit . I think she has a great speaking voice .
I have now read and heard most of the speech but I didn’t hear anything really about gender equality ? Did I miss that ?

Samcro · 06/09/2022 09:25

Roussette · 06/09/2022 07:51

Content of them 'doing good', travelling by train, because they're oh so environmentally aware. Bleugh!

Honestly, this thread is bonkers! Throughout all these threads incessantly posters moan about them taking private jets, they say they use gas guzzling cars, the criticism is never ending .
Now it's 'bleugh' they took the train and an electric car to get around? You really could not make it up. Madness.

As I said back before they were married. They will never ever ever be able to do anything right for some people.

May I suggest maranella if they produce such a violent reaction in you (wanting to vomit) I honestly suggest you stay away from threads discussing them.

good post and spot on.

maranella · 06/09/2022 09:26

What is your definition of 'umpteen' times a year?

Well three return flights so far this year. Each return flight from LA to London, per person, generates 16.1 tons of CO2 per first class passenger. This flight was commercial, but the previous two were by private jet, so obviously the emissions for those will be a multiple of that. So this trip alone (and just the LA-London-LA portion of it, not the onward travel to Germany), will generate 32.2 tons of CO2 for the two of them. Bear in mind too that us mere mortals are being urged to ditch flying altogether 'to save the planet'.

As for Charles and William and Leo and Al Gore and attendees at the COPs, etc, my feelings are the same. All these climate change events should be held virtually, anything else is rank hypocrisy. The message is always 'you little people need to cut your carbon emissions, while us important people will carry on frying the planet and we don't want you pointing out the hypocrisy in that'.

Samcro · 06/09/2022 09:27

Snog · 06/09/2022 08:13

MissMarpleRocks
"I don’t think H&M should be criticised for taking the train/private aircraft scenario"

Really??? For a summit about climate change? Do you not see any hypocrisy here?

How does it help the cause of climate change when the people spearheading the campaign have carbon footprints literally hundreds of times bigger than the people they are asking to reduce their footprints?

its like PW and hit earthshot thing.

SnottyLottie · 06/09/2022 09:28

Facially she looked beautiful and radiant. Did not like the outfit at all. She usually looks gorgeous in red but I wasn’t feeling it. Maybe I’m old fashioned but I hate the slouchy/loose fitting styles that seem popular at the moment. She always looks better in structured ensembles. Really hates the scarf thing.

Her speech was nice enough, she is a brilliant orator (and she has such a pleasant voice). Agree with others that it was a bit word-salady and slightly self centred.

Oooh shouldn’t the new podcast be out today?

Ohnonevermind · 06/09/2022 09:31

@HeddaGarbled

i don’t think this is an event for underprivileged young people,

Meghan herself has been attending as an ambassador since 2014.

The cost of attending would cover a years college tuition in Ireland, which would give a greater boost to young people

bitachey · 06/09/2022 09:34

According to the delightful Daily Mail she referenced herself 54 times in that speech. Wow! I actually can’t bear how self promoting she is. I liked her at first but once you start noticing the “me me me” it’s ridiculous.

Snog · 06/09/2022 09:35

In the impact statement for One Young World the only impact given is this:
"Working across the entire range of the UN’s Sustainable Development Goals, our Ambassadors have helped more than 5.4 million people and removed 812,000 tons of carbon emissions from the atmosphere. In this report, you can read stories from just a sample of this terrific work."

So I assume from this that they are all about highlighting work that other organisations and individuals undertake in respect of climate change. How they think Harry and Meghan can further this cause is beyond me. Harry takes private keys to play polo with his wealthy mates. But I expect that's ok because the match was "for charity".

Snog · 06/09/2022 09:36

Private keys = private jets

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