More Of Meghan’s Archwell podcasts…

[susan12345678]

Just to continue the discussion

Who is the subject in the next podcast ? I didn’t listen to Mariah as I was so disappointed with how little time Serena was allocated but maybe MM will improve as the weeks go on .
After this series what next ? Any idea?
MM spent less than 2 years (which included several months on ML ) in the RF so I would imagine she is running out of anecdotes . As that is her and H’s USP , it’s hard to know what else would justify the money required to maintain their lifestyle.

I'd like to second a recommendation from an earlier thread that is 'The Behavior Panel' on You Tube. "Scott Rouse, Mark Bowden, Chase Hughes, and Greg Hartley are four of the world's top body language and behavior experts" is the blurb.

They include former FBI and military interrogators, who are experts at identifying deception, analysing the infamous interviews of famous people.

Their podcasts are extremely entertaining and interesting, and they explain their reasoning in detail, taking turns to add their piece of expert perspective. They have analysed Andrew, Harry, Meghan, politicians and criminals. Fascinating stuff, especially when they also look at the interviewer as well as the interviewee(s). (They were impressed with Emily Maitlis.)

Yes I've seen the Andrew one - it's excellent although you dont have to be a behaviour expert to see through him in that interview !

Apart from believing that MM is a fantasist, liar and shyster I have no other opinion of her apart from the fact that not everyone is all bad.

And regarding personal attacks or thinly veiled insults aimed at people who have certain beliefs - people really shouldn’t dish them out if they can’t take them back.

Thanks for that link, I've just added it to my podcast app.
Interesting that the first episode is the research into the value of Royal patronages for charities, a link I post on MN that often gets derided

@Ommommomm

”One example is when Mariah Carey called her a diva and Meghan’s response was “WHAT??? How very DARE you call me a diva!!!” and was only placated when Mariah “explained” that she just meant that Meghan looked so absolutely fabulous, and that meant people saw her as a diva (cough cough)”

I listened to the podcast and nope - this was not said. Mariah was explaining why she is so over the top because she grew up poor.

Meghan says “I think it’s really important for people to remember that there may be this persona and they may be this diva thing that you play into. I mean it’s not something g that I connect to but..”

Mariah laughing incredulously “ You give us diva moments sometimes Meghan”

Meghan
“ I do? What kind of diva moments do I give you?” laughing “if you could see me right now?”

Mariah “ Don’t act like - don’t act like - it’s also the visual. It’s the visual.”

Meghan “oh it’s the look”

Mariah “ Say you didn’t have the whole thing”

Meghan “I associate it differently”

Mariah “ Yeah I know but let’s pretend that you weren’t so beautiful and didn’t have the whole thing and didn’t often have gorgeous ensembles - you wouldn’t get half as much diva stuff as you…”

Meghan laughs

Mariah “ But I don’t care - I’m going to give you diva whenever”

so no - again this conversation was not what was reported.

It is possible for people to dislike M&H and other members of the RF.

@FrippEnos

I know there's a mix that n this thread

@Roussette
There's an episode on the Duchy of Cornwall - that topic comes up a lot too

Good to have the facts

I shall check it out! 👍

Yes of course it is. But if it suits people to think otherwise they will.

Like it or not Harry is the queen’s grandson and his protection and the protection of his children (and by extension his wife) will always come at significant cost. Harry needs to pay for this - this includes an area with very little access to the public, availability of panic rooms, armed security and surveillance. Did they need that particular house - no but did they need something similar? Yes.

As said before this is why Meghan is hustling (face it - currently she’s the one with a marketable trade) because the money will run out and unlike famous people who become down and out - Harry’s importance especially when it comes to British security regardless of how destitute he becomes will never go away. And if they cannot afford security- then Harry is at significant risk. It is therefore in the interest of all especially the British Government to encourage them to make as much money as they can so as not to allow for a situation where the grandson of the queen/son of the king is taken hostage because he couldn’t maintain security.

@skullbabe "I notice that you attribute the whole thing to Meghan and not Harry - even though you say they, it’s clear you feel that Meghan was the primary driver for the whole sequence of events."
You have quoted @Serenster there, but she has used "they" in her whole post there, apart from when she refers to Meghan giving birth.

@skullbabe

the RF want to manage the long term sustainability of the RF ‘brand’ and the Sussex’s want to maximise their short term returns to make as much money as they can while they’re ‘hot’

How is the money going to run out?

Totally tone deaf. Tell that to the people busting their balls working on minimum wage choosing between heating and eating.

They have a $100m deal with NF and $30 deal with Spotify …. plus inheritance etc.

This is an interesting read - think that there are quite a few characters who have some of these traits.

“Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is a cluster B personality disorder defined as comprising a pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), a constant need for admiration, and a lack of empathy.

Signs and symptoms

In the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition (DSM-5), [1] NPD is defined as comprising a pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), a constant need for admiration, and a lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by the presence of at least 5 of the following 9 criteria:

A grandiose sense of self-importance

A preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

A belief that he or she is special and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people or institutions

A need for excessive admiration

A sense of entitlement

Interpersonally exploitive behavior

A lack of empathy

Envy of others or a belief that others are envious of him or her

A demonstration of arrogant and haughty behaviors or attitudes”

The wedding wasn’t in a cathedral, it was in a chapel, actually a Royal Peculiar, which means it is under the ‘direct supervision ‘ of the monarch. William and Kate were married in Westminster Abbey, which is also a Royal Peculiar.

maybe Meghan would have liked a Cathedral, probably St Paul’s, so lots more opportunities for cheering crowds?

of course you will say, this is pedantry. I will say, get your facts right before you make them a part of your argument. The meeting with the Archbishop was a rehearsal. They probably had to stop it several times and go back over the procedures so Harry could grasp it.

“even though you say they, it’s clear you feel that Meghan was the primary driver for the whole sequence of events”

I say ‘they” throughout for a reason, skullbabe. You’re absolutely putting words in my mouth. Please don’t.

As for the listening to the podcast and not hearing the section references by Ommommmomm, you must have switched off part way through and missed her closing words (you owe that poster an apology too).

'Though my fan-girling was tempered today, I kind of think she could tell, but that aside, it was all going swimmingly. I mean really well until that moment happened, which I don't know about you but it stopped me in my tracks when she called me a diva.

'You couldn't see me obviously, but I started to sweat a little bit, I started squirming in my chair in this quiet revolt. Like wait, what? No what? How could you? That's not true. Why would you say that? My mind genuinely was just spinning with what nonsense she must have read or clicked on to make her say that?

'I just kept thinking in that moment, was my girl crush coming to a quick demise? Does she actually not see me?

'So she must have felt my nervous laughter and you all would have heard it too and she jumped right in to make sure I was crystal clear. When she said diva, she was talking about the way that I dress, the posture of a clothing, a quote unquote fabulousness as she sees it.

'She meant diva as a compliment. I heard it as a dig. Heard it as the word diva as I think of it, but in that moment, as she explained to me, she meant it as chic, as aspirational.'

Oh come on, it was obvious I was not literally quoting Meghan verbatim. 🙄

Thank you @Serenster that was indeed the bit of the podcast I was referring to

you have not provided evidence of a lie in these cases. The person who asserts something needs to provide evidence

of course I did.

you just do not want to accept the plain and blatant truth.

MM lies.
she has earned herself a reputation as a liar.

But I see you’re wedded to the idea of Meghan the arch villain as opposed to Meghan the very human woman
and I see you are wedded to the idea of MM as a poor victim, as opposed to a scheming manipulator.

it cuts both ways.

by the way, what does “being a very human woman” mean?
a woman is an adult human female human.
all women are human.
MM is no more and no less human than any other woman.

But @Serenster although you said they throughout you said this in context of you beginning not to like Meghan. Do you not see how if they did something together - your not liking Meghan only does.not.compute. Perhaps you could explain this and then of course will apologise

Look - did Meghan say “how DARE you call me diva?” No - she did not. So I will not apologise.

I provided what she said in the moment. You provided her postscript in which Meghan, again, similar to the conversation described that she didn’t feel that diva applied to her. The whole podcast was an exploration of the origins of the word diva - to its negative connotations and how Mariah was trying to reclaim and own the word. Calling her a diva gave Meghan pause for thought because she thought only of the negative and not of what Mariah was trying to state which is exactly what she said at the time. She wasn’t indignant nor was she stating that Mariah was being presumptuous which is what the phrase “how DARE you” is meant to convey.

I genuinely think that Meghan is a Rohrshach test because I honestly can’t see what she said was wrong. But to each their own.

Nice one!

Thank you

@skullbabe I do think Meghan is hustling because she cannot depend on Harry to figure out how to support them in the long run. I don’t mean this disrespectfully to either of them. He just seems so sheltered and lacking in practical skills. And if I were her I would not want to go back to living in condos or whatever; no matter how nice. I also wouldn’t want to go back to working as an actress.

I also think she might feel pressure from him to be like his mother. He’s the one that made the original comparisons, right? And it’s a bit unfair given the differences in background. Diana was raised to fill the shoes of Princess and it was such a different time.

I do think people would forget about them in a short time if they just went quiet though. I forgot that Edward even existed until recently. I doubt most Americans ever think of him at all. Similar for Anne and many of the others actually.

But I don’t think that is what Meghan wants and even if she did, they still need to support themselves.

Thank you for being a calm, rational voice on these threads. It’s nice to see opinions of someone that supports MM but make sense and are not born from emotion.