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More Of Meghan’s Archwell podcasts…

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susan12345678 · 31/08/2022 20:51

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Readinginthesun · 03/09/2022 07:36

Roussette · 03/09/2022 06:33

This is really worth a look. South Africans celebrating M&H getting married. I know it will be dismissed on here as not crowds of people singing and dancing in the street, but I really liked how they all dressed up with hats to watch what they call a fairytale.

(And yes, I know one woman called the RF colonisers which will upset some posters. Unfortunately it's true)
p.s. I have no idea if the Mandela comment is true or not but this clip does go some way to showing the celebrations there.
@skullbabe I've read and agreed with a lot you have posted, I think you'd enjoy this clip Smile

twitter.com/FaithfulRadical/status/1565437184399794178

A roomful of people watching a Royal Wedding . Lovely . Reminded me of that day when I watched it drinking bubbly and eating cake with friends.
Such high hopes ………

Readinginthesun · 03/09/2022 07:38

This question may well have been answered but why were H and M allowed to marry in Church when she was divorced ? Even C and C weren’t allowed to do that .

J0y · 03/09/2022 07:39

yeh i wondered that. is it because C will be king and harry won't?

themessygarden · 03/09/2022 07:42

British expats around the world got together to have their own version of the Wedding 'street parties',

In the country I currently live in, several of our British expat friends held parties to watch the wedding together. There were a few locals who joined in, due to family / marriage ties, a few non brit expats, who were up for a party also joined in. It was great fun, with very british drinks, food and british humour. I wouldn't be surprised if the video above is from one of those expat 'street' parties. I know in Dubai it was an even bigger event amongst the British expats.

None of our US expat friends held parties or even joined in.

Serenster · 03/09/2022 07:43

The rules were changed in the Anglican Church in 2002. Charles and Camilla were married after this, but chose a civil ceremony (presumably to avoid controversy over the issue)

Readinginthesun · 03/09/2022 07:45

Serenster · 03/09/2022 07:36

Loads of people were incredibly happy when a woman of colour married into the royal family, worldwide (me included!)

As for the discussion around Megan’s credibility, on this and previous discussions people have gone though at length the various matters where Meghan can be shown to have gone through the spectrum of polishing an event to increase her personal lustre, to being economical with the truth to flat out lying (and getting others to lie on her behalf). I have learned however that its essentially banging my head on a brick wall. Her supporters are simply not interested.

This to me is the bemusing part. The willingness demonstarted by sensible and intelligent people to perform mental gymnastics over and over again to avoid facing up to the facts is something I cannot fathom.

On this thread alone: “Well she paid for some of her college tuition herself so airbrushing her parents’ - and principally her father’s financial contributions - out of the story entirely is fair enough”. “Well, despite the fact this is not what she said, I myself have attached more personal importance to this particular aspect of a wedding that neeeded two ceremonies, so I’m presuming that’s what she meant so it’s okay”. “Well, culturally it’s quite possible someone could have said that to her because we’re all prone to exaggeration, so despite the fact her account doesn’t stand up to fact checking it’s okay”.

If you had to do that once or twice, I’d understand it. But having to do it consistently, over and over again, as each new instance comes up or past instance is revealed? You’ve drunk the kool-aid, for sure.

It was this aspect of Meghan’s behaviour that led to me taking a step back and re-assessing her behaviours. It was when they told the press in the UK firstly that Archie’s birth would be entirely private, then backtracked and said they’d announce when she was in labour, then played a “gotcha” on the press by getting their press office to announce that she was in labour after Archie was born, then dropping the news on their instagram account that I finally twigged that, actually, they were just in this for themselves. (And this was before we found out that all of this was because they had negotiated an exclusive deal with Gayle King and a US network over his birth…). Once I realised that I was having to come up with multiple rationalisations of why this behaviour was actually fine because….I couldn’t do it anymore.

Another great post 👏👏

J0y · 03/09/2022 07:46

Serenster · 03/09/2022 07:43

The rules were changed in the Anglican Church in 2002. Charles and Camilla were married after this, but chose a civil ceremony (presumably to avoid controversy over the issue)

ah right,they did the right thing I think

Readinginthesun · 03/09/2022 07:48

Serenster · 03/09/2022 07:43

The rules were changed in the Anglican Church in 2002. Charles and Camilla were married after this, but chose a civil ceremony (presumably to avoid controversy over the issue)

Thank you . I am in Scotland where the rules are different.

Legrandsophie · 03/09/2022 07:50

The passport thing is so weird and obviously provably untrue. She travelled to New York for her huge (vulgar) baby shower with tonnes of A-list guests in 2019.

How did she get there without her passport?

themessygarden · 03/09/2022 07:52

Just to add, British expats were partying because it was a royal wedding, not because it was a mixed race woman marrying into the royal family, which was her insinuation by aligning it with Nelson Mandela and his walk to freedom.

However, people were rightly happy that Harry's wife to be was of mixed race, but the wedding parties would have happened no matter who he married.

Roussette · 03/09/2022 07:54

themessygarden · 03/09/2022 07:52

Just to add, British expats were partying because it was a royal wedding, not because it was a mixed race woman marrying into the royal family, which was her insinuation by aligning it with Nelson Mandela and his walk to freedom.

However, people were rightly happy that Harry's wife to be was of mixed race, but the wedding parties would have happened no matter who he married.

Of course. Everyone loves a street party, day off, royal wedding etc.

However, for the clip I linked of those watching it in SA, it was because Harry had married a mixed race woman... as the woman in the blue hat interviewed, explained.

Lostinabba · 03/09/2022 07:55

Serenster · 03/09/2022 07:36

Loads of people were incredibly happy when a woman of colour married into the royal family, worldwide (me included!)

As for the discussion around Megan’s credibility, on this and previous discussions people have gone though at length the various matters where Meghan can be shown to have gone through the spectrum of polishing an event to increase her personal lustre, to being economical with the truth to flat out lying (and getting others to lie on her behalf). I have learned however that its essentially banging my head on a brick wall. Her supporters are simply not interested.

This to me is the bemusing part. The willingness demonstarted by sensible and intelligent people to perform mental gymnastics over and over again to avoid facing up to the facts is something I cannot fathom.

On this thread alone: “Well she paid for some of her college tuition herself so airbrushing her parents’ - and principally her father’s financial contributions - out of the story entirely is fair enough”. “Well, despite the fact this is not what she said, I myself have attached more personal importance to this particular aspect of a wedding that neeeded two ceremonies, so I’m presuming that’s what she meant so it’s okay”. “Well, culturally it’s quite possible someone could have said that to her because we’re all prone to exaggeration, so despite the fact her account doesn’t stand up to fact checking it’s okay”.

If you had to do that once or twice, I’d understand it. But having to do it consistently, over and over again, as each new instance comes up or past instance is revealed? You’ve drunk the kool-aid, for sure.

It was this aspect of Meghan’s behaviour that led to me taking a step back and re-assessing her behaviours. It was when they told the press in the UK firstly that Archie’s birth would be entirely private, then backtracked and said they’d announce when she was in labour, then played a “gotcha” on the press by getting their press office to announce that she was in labour after Archie was born, then dropping the news on their instagram account that I finally twigged that, actually, they were just in this for themselves. (And this was before we found out that all of this was because they had negotiated an exclusive deal with Gayle King and a US network over his birth…). Once I realised that I was having to come up with multiple rationalisations of why this behaviour was actually fine because….I couldn’t do it anymore.

I too can't fathom the mental gymnastics over the lying. So I assume people just don't want to see it in someone they admire. Or they are like this themselves in RL so see nothing wrong in her behaviour.

Meghan has the capacity to do a lot of good. But who can give her an honest opinion that she will listen to?

Purplegras3 · 03/09/2022 08:10

J0y · 03/09/2022 06:46

And Harry, he was raised to be the 2nd to William and I think being second in command to MM is a role he will be unable to walk away from. I do not think they'll get divorced. I think they're in it for the long haul.

They're definitely going to get divorced in my opinion, it's merely a matter of time. The success rate of 2nd marriages is only 30% and H comes from a broken home himself. It's just a matter of time. Not that I wish divorce on anyone. I think it's a terrible shame they couldn't stay in the UK & be a force for good over here. H will regret being so far away when the Queen dies.

Ohnonevermind · 03/09/2022 08:18

Why are truth and facts losing their value. These facts are not ambiguous We know Meghan lies.

Everyone tells lies now and again - to spare other peoples feelings, minimise their worry or to avoid getting into trouble.

But to constantly lie to make yourself seem better and more important than you are and to paint yourself a victim by lying about others that hints to a personality issue.

gardenooh · 03/09/2022 08:22

Yes, people everywhere were delighted when Meghan married into the royal family. But Meghan herself doesn't seem mature enough to have really grasped that opportunity and platform for good and change.

She's like a CGI Insta lite version of a philanthropist and feminist and gamechanger - do as I say, not as I do (which seems to be very little and inspiring very few by just spouting empty platitudes about fairytales and living this ultra privileged and cosseted life. (Did you read the Cut interview, about how she saw a homeless man and got the security guard to hand out a peanut bar to 'teach' Archie about how people do and don't have homes? The interviewer really saw through her and undermined her in that piece) . It's just really, really disappointing.

LateSummerLobelia · 03/09/2022 08:24

Purplegras3 · 03/09/2022 08:10

They're definitely going to get divorced in my opinion, it's merely a matter of time. The success rate of 2nd marriages is only 30% and H comes from a broken home himself. It's just a matter of time. Not that I wish divorce on anyone. I think it's a terrible shame they couldn't stay in the UK & be a force for good over here. H will regret being so far away when the Queen dies.

I am very sad to say that I also think it is a matter of time. I think that once Harry disappoints her or fails to validate her then her ire will be turned on him. She is a very great deal more intelligent than him and I think he is a sitting duck. She abandons family and friends at the drop of a hat and he is validating her right now. I admit that I am seeing this through a prism of a former friend who I just see so many parallels with in terms of behaviour.

I feel really sad about it. I was delighted when they got married. I thought the behaviour of her family was deplorable (and I still think this) and I admired her courage and beauty as she walked alone down the aisle. But I think she is a very toxic, manipulative person and Harry is a chump who has been isolated from his family who if he behaves the way he has done for much longer may well not be there for him when the rodeo is over.

Wheresthebeach · 03/09/2022 08:34

I think it’s the needless game playing that has really shown them as attention seeking and silly - Archie’s birth being a good example. Don’t make false announcements, don’t delight afterwards in having hoodwinked the public. It’s just all so childish.

They have £34m I can’t feel sorry for them or justify their constant selling stories about the RF due to needing money. They didn’t have to spend £11 m on a house.

I think this Mandela comment is a turning point. It shows how deluded she is about her own importance. Even if something was said, she never should have repeated it as it’s so absurd. At some point all the fibs and twisting of the truth just becomes overwhelming. MM has jumped the shark this time.

J0y · 03/09/2022 08:41

Is she that intelligent?
She doesn't see how she's portraying herself. I think she's smarter than Harry but I dont buy that she's particularly clever.
I think she's exceptionally confident promoting herself which is what's got her where she is.

NanaNelly · 03/09/2022 08:48

Readinginthesun · 03/09/2022 07:36

A roomful of people watching a Royal Wedding . Lovely . Reminded me of that day when I watched it drinking bubbly and eating cake with friends.
Such high hopes ………

I was on a train going from Italy to Switzerland. It didn’t have internet so I bought an overseas package from my internet provider and watched the wedding. I was happy and excited and so were other women in the carriage who came and sat with me to watch the wedding on my Laptop. Some of them were American and were as taken with the whole thing as I was. It was a lovely day.

cyclamenqueen · 03/09/2022 08:52

But to constantly lie to make yourself seem better and more important than you are and to paint yourself a victim by lying about others that hints to a personality issue.

yes , and from someone who is already so privileged themselves.

LateSummerLobelia · 03/09/2022 08:53

I also loved watching the wedding. I had prink prosecco and ironed my way through it (which I tend to do when watching big events - did the same for PP's funeral and often for the last night of the Proms) and I just really enjoyed it.

JohnPrescottsPyjamas · 03/09/2022 08:54

LateSummerLobelia · 03/09/2022 08:24

I am very sad to say that I also think it is a matter of time. I think that once Harry disappoints her or fails to validate her then her ire will be turned on him. She is a very great deal more intelligent than him and I think he is a sitting duck. She abandons family and friends at the drop of a hat and he is validating her right now. I admit that I am seeing this through a prism of a former friend who I just see so many parallels with in terms of behaviour.

I feel really sad about it. I was delighted when they got married. I thought the behaviour of her family was deplorable (and I still think this) and I admired her courage and beauty as she walked alone down the aisle. But I think she is a very toxic, manipulative person and Harry is a chump who has been isolated from his family who if he behaves the way he has done for much longer may well not be there for him when the rodeo is over.

I think you’re absolutely right.

Although I’m a republican, I thought her arrival into the RF was such a positive thing - another step towards diluting the rarefied and closed shop institution the Windsors have been to date. However, she seems to have become the viper in the bosom. Absolutely nothing to do with her race, her previous life or her past occupation. To join a family and then to attempt to publicly destroy them from within is plain nasty. If you don’t get on with the in-laws - and there no rule that says you have to - withdraw gracefully, go NC and get on with your own life. They’re both multimillionaires in their own rights so not beholden to anyone.
Sometimes silence is far more powerful than constant sniping.

One thing Megan and Harry certainly don’t seem to get - and Diana never got either - is, you can’t open and shut the door on the press when it suits you. Once you start feeding the beast it’ll want more and more of you and if you don’t provide it, it’ll come back and take bites of flesh on its own terms.

elessar · 03/09/2022 08:55

BlueRidge · 02/09/2022 22:54

"I got married abroad - we got our licence 3 days before our wedding."

Well, there it is. Your legal ceremony was at that point.
Meghan & Harry's was not, as verified by the Archbishop of Canterbury. She can wish or pretend all she likes but it doesn't change the material facts.
And she must be pretty tone-deaf if she can't see how foolish her disparaging remarks about the "spectacle for the world made all the people who cheered them at their wedding feel. Either that, or she doesn't give a shit.

Completely agree with you.

It's really insulting the way she referred to it as this big unwanted burden that was for the world not for them.

They didn't have to have such a big wedding. But there's no suggestion they wanted a small private wedding. By all accounts it's exactly what they wanted - the A list guest list and all the pomp and ceremony. And the British taxpayer footed the astronomical bill.

So it's staggeringly ungrateful the way she later talked about it.

Onprozacandmyhighhorse · 03/09/2022 09:00

I was waiting to have a colonoscopy! The hospital were doing them on Saturdays to clear a back log. One of the nurses was really excited as her son is in either the Life Guards or the Blues and Royals and was riding right beside their carriage. She was able to point him out and was so proud of him. It was brilliant! The colonoscopy not quite the same Confused

Onprozacandmyhighhorse · 03/09/2022 09:01

Sorry, should have said they had a TV in the waiting area tuned in so we could all watch.

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