Meghan Markle Archetype podcasts & interviews

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As the last thread filled up & there's plenty of discussion of Meghan's interview in The Cut, seems worthwhile starting a new thread!

A read yesterday that a series of media interviews are planned to promote the podcasts. Should be very interesting if The Cut interview is anything to go by!

Yes I know she said it but @notanotheroneagain was implying it is how the term is commonly used amongst people who have a wedding party followed by registry office ceremony - I know people who have done this but they haven't used the word marriage in this way.

MM seems to have trouble understating the meanings of words or changes them to suit her own purposes.

I think the reason that people care, is it's a slur on the Queen who is ill and 96, (and who I believe is a good person, other than bailing out Andrew) and who has no course of redress other than 'recollections may vary'.

MM is a bully. She is happy to lie and seek attention for so-called 'injustices' knowing full well that the Royal Family will not get into a public tit-for-tat.

How horrible that the Queen has to put up with this shit in her last years.

It is a real modus operandi to say whatever you feel like saying to get maximum impact. Then either Omid or the Archbishop of Canterbury have to clear it up afterwards.

I am loving the podcast. Excellent speaking and interview voice. Mn and dailyfail can go figure. Listening to Meghan is fascinating, and it gives me absolute joy.

Ah I see @theveg. I agree with you.

It doesn't make sense that the British press would have called Archie the "n" word. He is very clearly a red haired, blue eyed, fair skinned child and the UK doesn't have the "one drop" notion that seems prevalent in the US. Its ridiculous.

Given that Archie is of mostly white heritage, it makes even less sense. His father is white, his mother (Meghan) is more than 50% white, given that her father is white and her mother has some white ancestry too. I'm 1/8 non white (not African) and I have trouble convincing people that I'm mixed race, so much so that I rarely bother, so I'm quite impressed that Meghan has no qualms about talking about her heritage to such a degree. In fact, that the main thing that I admire her for.

Exactly.

😂😂😂

notanotheroneagain Thanks for responding

1)Meghan clearly said that she and Harry got married with the Archbishop of Canterbury, in their garden 3 days before the wedding that was for the public. This was more than just a problem with the word 'marriage'. It is not like your example of a beach wedding. That is not how marriage laws in the UK work and frankly the way she said it was insulting to the British public.

2. Re the letters patent. What Meghan said was blatantly untrue. There was no need to change them to "exclude" Archie. Only those male grandchildren of the sovereign in the direct line of succession are princes, so Archie will be a prince when his grandfather Charles becomes king. This was specifically changed for William's children after the law was changed to say the eldest child of future monarchs would be the heir, not the eldest son. The change was necessary as if W & K's first child - the future monarch was a girl and their second a boy, he would be a prince but the heir presumptive would not be. None of this applied to H & M's children.

3. The post you mentioned did not mean what you think it means. As I said above, "plain Archie" refers to him not using his title, not his appearance and "black cab driver" means he could do any ordinary job" again, the black here does not refer to his heritage. There is no dog and no whistle. And please tell me how "putting your oar in" has any relevance whatsoever to pigs or racism.

I think the pair of them (and many others) are guilty of "remembering with their feelings", and possessing an absolute certainty that their side is the only side.

I've never, in quite a substantial amount of experience, known of a personal rift like this one where the blame laid all on one side. Which is why points about "having a lot of things she can say" strikes me as a very unreflective view of the situation.

If Harry was to come out and say, "I've learned a lot about my own attitudes to race and I think we have a way to go", or Megan said, "Maybe, on reflection I should have found my feet more slowly and maybe carried on acting as was suggested" - then I might have more sympathy. But there's just no suggestion, no hint that they were anything but brilliant people who acted perfectly and were the victims of bullies.

Having been through a period of catastrophic stress myself leaving a bad work situation, I know how important it is to unpick the actual wrongs that were done to me, the things I perceived incorrectly due to stress, and the bad actions or strategies I took myself.

Interesting that they’ve chosen the 25th anniversary of Diana’s death (tomorrow) to start spouting again.

I was a big fan of Harry and thought Meghan would be a breath of fresh air for the royal family. The wedding was wonderful, but I think it all happened too quickly and ultimately she couldn’t hack it and is now looking to blame anyone and everyone else for what’s happened since.

Shame, they could have done a lot of good for the U.K. and global humanitarian causes.

I do think MM has been horrendously badly advised and I hope she realises that and is able to hold her US advisors to account publicly. In a way that Diana wasn't able to do regarding the Bashir interview, etc. I've no doubt MM has been briefed with the 'facts' that are actually nonsense lies designed to stir animosity.

And the US posters who continually mention Epstein but don't seem to care at all about the high profile US politicians and businessmen who were closely linked to him or that the only person in jail concerning the crimes is an English woman. Imagine if they took all the energy and actually asked their own country (the US) to hold their own citizens to account. That would be worthwhile and would show that they genuinely care about those issues. I guess they're more invested in arguing about a 'princess' than holding US sex offenders to account.

I think Harry needs to take responsibility for his own actions. At any point, he could have said, let’s live out of the limelight, have a quiet family and live well on my fortune, I want to break the cycle, I see what living through the media does to young children. Be free and independent from the institution. But, he’s spoiled and so full of his own self importance. He impressed his wife with all his Prince cards, lapped up the early positive public royal exposure. His wife spoke of her suicidal tendencies when pregnant due to the stress of the media glare. They both chose to do a highly publicised interview when she was 7/8 months pregnant. They knew the media storm that would create in their final months of pregnancy. Harry loves the attention, when it’s good. Harry’s used to doors being opened for him off the back of his name only. Harry is as down to earth as his Dad. Harry picks and chooses when mental health is a priority.

Notanotheroneagain
"suppose you could argue that changing the meaning of words is a way of saying untrue things without actually lying 🤯🤯

Or just being a romantic ?
As I say, if my friends gush about their lovely marriage, when they later have to go sign in the registry office, I don't particularly call them liars."

Really? Is this your defence of what MM said about the real marriage being 3 days earlier in her back yard?!!!!!
She said her £33M wedding watched by 1.9 billion people wasn't even a real wedding because the real wedding was a SECRET wedding. Basically laughing at those 1.9 billion viewers who she implied were not watching what they thought they were watching. Nice.

What infuriates me is how they both get away with what they do and say. No one really challenges them. They swan through life, using money they didn’t earn, with enormous privilege. Instead of appreciating their vast good fortune, they carp, scowl and whine at every opportunity. Or issue veiled threats. Then there are the ‘friends’ they wheel out to speak on their behalf about what wonderful people they are.

They give interviews where they say what they like with no comeback. Who else in life gets away with all this? Not to mention the utter hypocrisy involved in nearly everything they do and say.

It’s time a critical interviewer took them to task.

She's full of shite somehow the kids of the heir manage to school perfectly normally with no drama.

I don't know why they keep digging themselves a hole, if they had left and got on with x, y or z projects as they wanted without dragging the royal family or whatever else then they would probably have quite promising careers. As is yikes.

Those are good points, @thecatsthecats, and I really hope it comes to that. Michelle Obama said something similar.
I really feel that calling their daughter Lilibet was not a tribute to the Queen (they would just have called her Elizabeth) but the woman and grandma. It's a very personal pet name used by HM's grandfather, husband and very personal friends. This means surely it can't all have been toxic and there must be a way forward?

Thanks for the link to the Washington post @Ohnonevermind I went and clicked on the other links in the post and found this one really interesting

theankler.com/p/royals-obamas-and-the-end-of-the?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

I don’t agree with all, especially as to how well received the podcast has been . However it but seems a fair and balanced and was an interesting contrast between the Obamas and the Sussex's.

@debbrianna are you accusing @SilverLiningPlaybook of being racist?

The pair of them have blatantly lost any touch with reality or truth. It’s awful - and just seems to be getting worse. Why why why can’t they do what they said the wanted and live a quiet non celebrity chasing life. They obviously exist in an echo chamber - it seems insane they don’t realise how truly dreadfully they’re coming across..

Eh? I’m no different to a dog whistle? What on earth are you waffling about?

Because one or both of them didn't want to "live a quiet non celebrity chasing life"

Ok, did not realise that people would latch on to the sticking her oar in expression. As I say, most people keep an eagle eye on MM, so I assume would have known the article I was referring to.

It had something to do with MM must stay out of politics / things / whatever. So stick her oar out of things. What I remember was thinking what an odd thing to say.
The exact wording was ' polished suede trotter'. This was Camilla Long from the Sunday Times. Journalism 101, to make links and suggestions without saying something directly.

Not racists directly, but comparing a woc to an animal never the less.