Page 10 | Meghan Markle Archetype podcasts & interviews

susan12345678 · 2022-08-30T06:17:52+00:00

As the last thread filled up & there's plenty of discussion of Meghan's interview in The Cut, seems worthwhile starting a new thread! A read yesterday that a series of media interviews are planned to promote the podcasts. Should be very interesting if The Cut interview is anything to go by!

mateysmum · 30/08/2022 11:54

Notanotheroneagain

As I say, if my friends gush about their lovely marriage, when they later have to go sign in the registry office, I don't particularly call them liars

In the UK you cannot just "sign in the registry office". You have to go through a legal marriage ceremony there or in a licensed marriage premises in front of witnesses and a registrar or authorised minister . Yes you can have a wedding party with some pretty words etc, but unless you go through the proper legal process you are not married.

Sellorkeep · 30/08/2022 11:56

Apparently Boden trousers cost $30?!!!

SilverLiningPlaybook · 30/08/2022 11:58

notanotheroneagain · 30/08/2022 11:53

Ok, did not realise that people would latch on to the sticking her oar in expression. As I say, most people keep an eagle eye on MM, so I assume would have known the article I was referring to.

It had something to do with MM must stay out of politics / things / whatever. So stick her oar out of things. What I remember was thinking what an odd thing to say.
The exact wording was ' polished suede trotter'. This was Camilla Long from the Sunday Times. Journalism 101, to make links and suggestions without saying something directly.

Not racists directly, but comparing a woc to an animal never the less.

I think the word trotter is used to describe feet sometimes. It’s not racist. I think the meaning was to suggest that under the slick performance (polished suede) is something altogether rougher and not so pleasant. More a comment on her character and how appearances don’t always match the reality.

thecatsthecats · 30/08/2022 11:58

I think people are being pretty disingenuous about the dog whistling though.

The WHOLE POINT of dog whistling is that there's a plausible, innocent use of the words. They don't use the n-word, but choose to use "niggle", just to raise the pulse of the conversation by association. They could, for example, said "plagued by doubts" instead of "niggled by doubts". It's a cheap wink to those who would freely use the n-word without actually saying it.

I've been in employment disciplinaries on similar issues where the person in question has lied blind that their racist jokes were racist, and we only succeeded in proving the racist intent by some in depth recovery of private messages that proved the "innocent" justification was untrue, but I would eat my hat of they didn't happen.

(one of my best friends is an ex Daily Mail reporter who is entirely on Meghan's side, btw)

StickywithSuncream · 30/08/2022 12:00

notanotheroneagain · 30/08/2022 11:53

Ok, did not realise that people would latch on to the sticking her oar in expression. As I say, most people keep an eagle eye on MM, so I assume would have known the article I was referring to.

It had something to do with MM must stay out of politics / things / whatever. So stick her oar out of things. What I remember was thinking what an odd thing to say.
The exact wording was ' polished suede trotter'. This was Camilla Long from the Sunday Times. Journalism 101, to make links and suggestions without saying something directly.

Not racists directly, but comparing a woc to an animal never the less.

Haven’t read the Camilla Long piece you reference, but have you never heard of the phrase ‘tart’s trotters’ for high-heeled/tarty shoes?

Or just using the words ‘trotters’ for feet?

Long hasn’t coined these phrases and they are used for and by people of all colours, including white people. I’ve only seen them used in a jokey/colloquial way, rather than in a nasty way. Writers are always looking for interesting ways to describe things, to breathe life into their writing.

SilverLiningPlaybook · 30/08/2022 12:01

I use the word niggle a lot. Have never thought at all about it sounding like the n word. It’s a bit of a stretch.

derxa · 30/08/2022 12:01

(one of my best friends is an ex Daily Mail reporter who is entirely on Meghan's side, btw) What's that got to do with the price of fish?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 30/08/2022 12:02

I do think MM has been horrendously badly advised and I hope she realises that and is able to hold her US advisors to account publicly

In order to hold them to account, publicly or otherwise, she'd first have to prove that they were the main driver in the choices she's made, and I expect that could be difficult

As for "nobody challenges them" I'm not sure they even need to since few are so blinkered that they can't see the endless inconsistencies and the very obvious MO

And because their choices have damaged their bankability as RF members, maybe - just maybe - some of their anger is displacement because on one level they realise what they've done and don't like the consequences

Arnaquer · 30/08/2022 12:02

SpinCityBlues · 30/08/2022 09:41

I've just checked out the journalist and some of her other writing. Allison P Davis is a senior writer for the Cut and New York Magazine, has a cracking sense of humour, and an excellent writing style (I find a lot of US journalism a bit turgid but not hers). A black woman who lives in New York, she takes no shit about racism (see: other articles). She is the wordsmith that Meghan Sussex is not.

I somehow doubt she came away from that interview a fan.

Interesting point

theveg · 30/08/2022 12:03

There seems to be a tendency to read racism into every single comment where none is intended. What about the phrase globe-trotter? There is a children's brand of clothing called Trotters. The word has many connotations and it seems a leap to me imply that using it to refer to Megan's foot implies she is a pig which implies racism.

SilverLiningPlaybook · 30/08/2022 12:05

nd because their choices have damaged their bankability as RF members, maybe - just maybe - some of their anger is displacement because on one level they realise what they've done and don't like the consequences

Yes, very true

Sidonien · 30/08/2022 12:05

notanotheroneagain · 30/08/2022 11:53

Ok, did not realise that people would latch on to the sticking her oar in expression. As I say, most people keep an eagle eye on MM, so I assume would have known the article I was referring to.

It had something to do with MM must stay out of politics / things / whatever. So stick her oar out of things. What I remember was thinking what an odd thing to say.
The exact wording was ' polished suede trotter'. This was Camilla Long from the Sunday Times. Journalism 101, to make links and suggestions without saying something directly.

Not racists directly, but comparing a woc to an animal never the less.

Well, in the same article she called Kate an "impenetrable keto stick". It was a rude, mocking article about all the royals, not directed specifically at Meghan.

DFOD · 30/08/2022 12:07

notanotheroneagain · 30/08/2022 11:30

She said they wanted to change it. That was the conversation. Not done yet, want to do it. Hopefully, they won't go ahead now it's all out in the open.

Show quote history

Conversation with who?

Who wants to change it?

Whats the timeframe for this decision?

LaMarschallin · 30/08/2022 12:07

StickywithSuncream

Haven’t read the Camilla Long piece you reference, but have you never heard of the phrase ‘tart’s trotters’ for high-heeled/tarty shoes?

Just as a by-the-by, Diana apparently often used that expression to refer to her own high-heeled shoes.

justasking111 · 30/08/2022 12:07

Diana 25 year anniversary. I don't bother to read the rehash annually. The royals survived that crisis. Andrew fading away now. Duke of Windsor. They've weathered many a scandal for centuries. The media are in it to make money. The royals shake hands etc. To make money. It's all about money.

The Di fference is the royals are a firm not an individual. There's strength and endurance in that

Starsinyoureyes13 · 30/08/2022 12:08

thecatsthecats · 30/08/2022 11:58

I think people are being pretty disingenuous about the dog whistling though.

The WHOLE POINT of dog whistling is that there's a plausible, innocent use of the words. They don't use the n-word, but choose to use "niggle", just to raise the pulse of the conversation by association. They could, for example, said "plagued by doubts" instead of "niggled by doubts". It's a cheap wink to those who would freely use the n-word without actually saying it.

I've been in employment disciplinaries on similar issues where the person in question has lied blind that their racist jokes were racist, and we only succeeded in proving the racist intent by some in depth recovery of private messages that proved the "innocent" justification was untrue, but I would eat my hat of they didn't happen.

(one of my best friends is an ex Daily Mail reporter who is entirely on Meghan's side, btw)

Say what? So people who have used the word niggled for things that's annoyed them, like my belly has a niggling pain are unconsciously racist?

AuroraCake · 30/08/2022 12:10

notanotheroneagain · 30/08/2022 11:53

Ok, did not realise that people would latch on to the sticking her oar in expression. As I say, most people keep an eagle eye on MM, so I assume would have known the article I was referring to.

It had something to do with MM must stay out of politics / things / whatever. So stick her oar out of things. What I remember was thinking what an odd thing to say.
The exact wording was ' polished suede trotter'. This was Camilla Long from the Sunday Times. Journalism 101, to make links and suggestions without saying something directly.

Not racists directly, but comparing a woc to an animal never the less.

You've never heard high heels referred to as trotters. I warrant you in a derogatory way to women but it's all out women against women sexism and nothing 5o do with race.

thecatsthecats · 30/08/2022 12:11

SilverLiningPlaybook · 30/08/2022 12:01

I use the word niggle a lot. Have never thought at all about it sounding like the n word. It’s a bit of a stretch.

Well it certainly won't be the case that any and all uses will have a racist slant. And I certainly think that the claims of racism in the UK have been overstated. It's a much more nuanced picture than a soundbite or a single article can prove or disprove.

I was just making a point that explaining away every single instance of dog whistling is part of the point of dog whistling - that it can fly under the radar of colloquialisms that are normally used. And it is done purposefully. Like I say, I know EX-DM journalists who've sat in on meetings where the exact slant of what is intended goes in.

theveg · 30/08/2022 12:11

This is the argument that is used by certain woke activists re racism. Intent does not matter, only perceived offence by the perceived victim, and everything is interpreted in the most negative possible way.

StickywithSuncream · 30/08/2022 12:12

LaMarschallin · 30/08/2022 12:07

StickywithSuncream

Haven’t read the Camilla Long piece you reference, but have you never heard of the phrase ‘tart’s trotters’ for high-heeled/tarty shoes?

Just as a by-the-by, Diana apparently often used that expression to refer to her own high-heeled shoes.

Ah, interesting. Long may have been referencing that, perhaps.

AuroraCake · 30/08/2022 12:13

Whoever said Harry was as down to earth as his father. LOL. Travels with his own harpist. Looks that's all you meed to know. Amd I quite like Charles. Not very bright either but things he is and essentially benign. Now Wii total other category. I would not want to come.ip against him.

notanotheroneagain · 30/08/2022 12:14

Context is everything.

The press know who their audience are, what they approve of and what they have been writing themselves.

To give you an example:
You may say words like that is 'dumb' for example with your family and friends and they will understand you are not being mean.
But, you surely cannot use this word in front of or to someone who literally cannot speak.

They know these implications and names are offensive, they know what they are doing and they don't care. It's not a reach.

LittleBearPad · 30/08/2022 12:15

notanotheroneagain · 30/08/2022 12:14

Context is everything.

The press know who their audience are, what they approve of and what they have been writing themselves.

To give you an example:
You may say words like that is 'dumb' for example with your family and friends and they will understand you are not being mean.
But, you surely cannot use this word in front of or to someone who literally cannot speak.

They know these implications and names are offensive, they know what they are doing and they don't care. It's not a reach.

If you’re looking to be offended you can see a problem in anything.

notanotheroneagain · 30/08/2022 12:16

thecatsthecats · 30/08/2022 11:58

I think people are being pretty disingenuous about the dog whistling though.

The WHOLE POINT of dog whistling is that there's a plausible, innocent use of the words. They don't use the n-word, but choose to use "niggle", just to raise the pulse of the conversation by association. They could, for example, said "plagued by doubts" instead of "niggled by doubts". It's a cheap wink to those who would freely use the n-word without actually saying it.

I've been in employment disciplinaries on similar issues where the person in question has lied blind that their racist jokes were racist, and we only succeeded in proving the racist intent by some in depth recovery of private messages that proved the "innocent" justification was untrue, but I would eat my hat of they didn't happen.

(one of my best friends is an ex Daily Mail reporter who is entirely on Meghan's side, btw)

this

Puzzledandpissedoff · 30/08/2022 12:20

I quite like Charles. Not very bright either but thinks he is and essentially benign

Has the enablement of paedophiles been benign?