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Meghan Markle Archetype podcasts & interviews

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susan12345678 · 30/08/2022 07:17

As the last thread filled up & there's plenty of discussion of Meghan's interview in The Cut, seems worthwhile starting a new thread!

A read yesterday that a series of media interviews are planned to promote the podcasts. Should be very interesting if The Cut interview is anything to go by!

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derxa · 31/08/2022 10:47

Flopisfatteningbingforchristmas · 31/08/2022 09:01

Would be much better to give money to a charity who assesses what people actually need rather than giving out random stuff. But then I suppose that would be done quietly.

She's portraying Archie as a sort of latter day Little Lord Fauntleroy. Stop all of this nonsense, Meghan and let him have a normal life. Let him be a kid.

DFOD · 31/08/2022 10:47

SpinCityBlues · 31/08/2022 10:12

I agree, @DFOD. When H&M first fucked off to North America, I thought 'good on them' for getting out of the toxic orbit of the RF, especially that nonce and the nonce-enablers.

I also thought until about 6 months ago that M was getting a very unfair press, based on tropes and biases. But I've taken a deep breath and had a look at her 'output' of late and her very specific personality as presented by herself to us, the public, and yeah, there's a personality disorder in there at play that's actually - to use her own very revealing words - 'thriving' on the real and perceived mistreatment(s).

Their silence on Uncle Andrew, Epstein and Maxwell, and their contuniung friendship with Princess Eugenie York who is still there batting away for Daddy, is inexplicable on the one hand - but entirely explicable if seen through the new lens of her traits of 'grandiosity' and 'untouchability' and H's trait of being compulsively attached to it all.

All of this can be happening simultaneously.

Yes she was / is treated appallingly by racist SM and press and no one on here (IME) accepts, tolerates or facilitates this.

Yes “The Firm” is a traditional, rigid, hierarchy which doesn’t suit her personality or culture - fine move on. I still can’t get my head around the fact that her left leaning humanitarian “values” allowed her to even date a member of this colonial parasitic institution …. never mind marry into it, grease it’s wheels and be a high profile advocate for it.

To be fair if she exposed the structural inequalities and exploitation of the BRF system to either reform it or dismantle it politically I would supportive - but what we see is a myopic focus on me, me, me and her can continuing to exploit and monetise her connection with this nonsense system for her own benefit.

I wonder what the implicit (or explicit) contract is with the $30m Spotify and $100m Netflix entails - is there a requirement for a teaspoon of implied dirt in every output? Or maybe on the contrary they are furious of the negative publicity she is bring to their brands? Or maybe they don’t care as long as they get the exposure and numbers driven to their content?

She can be a woman of colour, a victim of racial abuse, have MH issues, been unfairly treated by the BRF …. as well as being grandiose, deluded, entitled, vexatious etc.

ancientgran · 31/08/2022 10:52

notanotheroneagain · 31/08/2022 08:31

Nope !

Millions have proven not to judging by the number of listeners.

Quoting MAGA Americans (NYP/Fox etc.) and other right wing British and Australia media does not represent anything. Duh, of course they would be against a black woman.

She isn't black.

IcedPurple · 31/08/2022 10:54

Listening to what she has been saying since she left, I suspect what she means by her constant complaints now was that the team around her weren’t prepared to lie to the press (and deny the many stories that we now know were based on truth) and the public as she wished, and that was intolerable. The Cut article even says that straight up, quoting her as saying :“When the media has shaped the story around you, it’s really nice to be able to tell your own story.” And a story is definitely what she’s telling.

Yes, by 'not having a voice' she means not being able to give her version of events about what may or may not have happened at a flower girl's dress fitting.

Certainly, becoming a high profile royal gave her a platform she could never have come close to achieving on her own merits, one she could have used for a lot of good. Now that she's got her 'voice' back, all she seems to want to do with it is complain about how, for two of her 41 years, she allegedly did not have a 'voice'. Hence the weird 'Little Mermaid' story in the Oprah Winfrey interview.

ajandjjmum · 31/08/2022 10:55

Re. the link between M & H and Andrew, I remember reading that when Harry returned for his Grandfather's funeral, he was cold-shouldered by the majority of the family (just post Oprah) except for the Yorks. They understood what it was like to be attacked by the Press, and were happy to give him support.

SpinCityBlues · 31/08/2022 11:02

LondonWolf · 31/08/2022 10:43

And speaking of so far unproved allegations, I notice nobody's yet identified where and when it was that the media "called Archie the N word" ...

I read that it was apparently a comment in DM comments section... so nothing to do with the royal rota.

I'm not convinced tbh because even on the DM comments which are not "moderated" there are still words which cannot get through the basic protections on certain stories - "racism" being one of them. I find it very hard to believe that such a disgusting and potentially damaging (for the DM) word would not be blocked.

The comments sections on the Daily Mail are often grim, but yes they are heavily moderated for M&H stories, and yes, filters are in use.

I wonder if the Daily Mail knows it's in the frame?

Btw I think its columnist Sarah Vine reads these threads. She may even join in for all I know.

OhMerde · 31/08/2022 11:03

shedwithivy · 31/08/2022 10:45

If they spend all day reading the DM comments section then no wonder they feel victimised. It is an absolute sewer

The Mail is nothing compared to Tattle. That cesspit is quite the eye opener about fellow human beings. I genuinely didnt know people could be that vicious and deranged.

BlueRidge · 31/08/2022 11:04

"They understood what it was like to be attacked by the Press,"

And you think the rest of them didn't understand?! Come on

ancientgran · 31/08/2022 11:06

Readinginthesun · 31/08/2022 10:23

That is a very good point about H and M not criticising Andrew . I wonder why not ?
M has been very keen to get digs in about Catherine and H complained about his Dad so why not the despicable Andrew ?
Thoughts @notanotheroneagain ?

Harry is good friends with PAs daughters isn't he? I'm sure all that has gone on has been difficult for them so maybe Harry isn't saying anything as he doesn't want to add to the problem for his cousins. Which is a nice thing really.

LizzieSiddal · 31/08/2022 11:06

I do wonder if the RF are holding back the bullying report, as their ace card. I expect it to be “leaked” one day, maybe just before H’s book is published.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 31/08/2022 11:06

I also wonder if the pressure to maintain status and stay interesting and relevant leads to the temptation to more outrageous statements and behaviour

I'd say this is a real risk, especially if it's what works for the financial backers and there's an implied requirement for "revelations" about the RF

Without doubt social media encourages the "famous for being famous" thing, but its ephemeral nature creates a danger of being dropped pretty fast if the content slips, and to stay relevant some get stuck in a trap of seeking attention purely to keep it all going

Obviously they can move on from this if there's something of real substance to offer, but whether this is the case with H&M remains to be seen

ajandjjmum · 31/08/2022 11:10

BlueRidge · 31/08/2022 11:04

"They understood what it was like to be attacked by the Press,"

And you think the rest of them didn't understand?! Come on

That is not my point. I was saying that was the York justification for being supportive towards Harry. I thought nothing!

SpinCityBlues · 31/08/2022 11:12

susan12345678 · 31/08/2022 10:29

That is a very good point about H and M not criticising Andrew . I wonder why not ?

The enemy of mine enemy is my friend, perhaps?

Aye, and the friend of their friend was Jeffrey Epstein, paedophile, rapist and trafficker.

And Eugenie, a key link, stays patron of an anti-trafficking charity. It's what you'd get if Len Deighton wrote a novel about international grifting.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 31/08/2022 11:14

I read that it was apparently a comment in DM comments section... so nothing to do with the royal rota

That's interesting LondonWolf, but while nothing would surprise me in the Mail's comment section you're also correct that Meghan was specific in mentioning the Royal Rota

So unless she's lied again I'd still like to hear where this comment was made

DorritLittle · 31/08/2022 11:20

It's what you'd get if Len Deighton wrote a novel about international grifting.

😂

AlexandriasWindmill · 31/08/2022 11:21

Maybe they don't criticise Andrew because they don't want to be inconsistent. If they started criticising everyone who had been linked to Epstein then they'd be ostracised in the US.
People in the US are very focused on pretending they don't need to address the many high-profile businessmen, celebs and politicians who were even closer to Epstein than Andrew was - and who, so far, have managed to avoid both scrutiny and court. They seem to be praying everyone will think Epstein is dead, Maxwell is in jail and Prince Andrew paid a settlement - so they can just move on and ignore the hundreds of others in much more influential positions in the US. There's a cohort of posters on here who seem to think the same. They can't wait to mention Andrew but not a peep about any of the others.

newtb · 31/08/2022 11:25

Her behaviour makes me think a little of Yoko Ono and John Lennon, and thé way she alienated him from the rest of the group. Think she was very manipulatrice, too.

Serenster · 31/08/2022 11:32

People in the US are very focused on pretending they don't need to address the many high-profile businessmen, celebs and politicians who were even closer to Epstein than Andrew was - and who, so far, have managed to avoid both scrutiny and court. They seem to be praying everyone will think Epstein is dead, Maxwell is in jail and Prince Andrew paid a settlement - so they can just move on and ignore the hundreds of others in much more influential positions in the US. There's a cohort of posters on here who seem to think the same. They can't wait to mention Andrew but not a peep about any of the others

Yes - I’ve posted a few times about how Prince Andrew became the convenient public scapegoat for some very powerful and influential men, which illustrated that although he had the title, and in theory all the money and influence that entails, in practice that was all just illusory. He was the one who couldn’t avoid the public scrutiny as he has no real power and his wealth is chickenfeed compared to theirs. So the rest are still getting away with it all.

SpinCityBlues · 31/08/2022 11:36

Is Ghislaine Maxwell too scared to do a deal, I wonder - or does she have nothing of value for the FBI? Always wondered why she didn't sing like a bloody canary, facing what may be the rest of her life in jail. She just stuck to 'not guilty' and protected them.

MaulPerton · 31/08/2022 11:42

People in the US are very focused on pretending they don't need to address the many high-profile businessmen, celebs and politicians who were even closer to Epstein than Andrew was

A good comment, and has parallels with H & M 'supporters' not criticising H & M because they spout equality and, therefore, can't possibly be the same as the other lot even though they are

Arnaquer · 31/08/2022 11:43

MalagaNights · 31/08/2022 08:52

And the Mariah Carey story: that she almost stopped being a fan, and sweated in confusion at the joke, until she realised with relief Mariah meant she was fabulous.

Oh God I want to hide behind the sofa.

Hilarious

SpinCityBlues · 31/08/2022 11:46

So I googled, 'how do Meghan and Eugenie know each other?' and found this answer on Quora, for what it's worth. Some of it does sound familiar from other sources.

Meghan had been close friends with Misha Nonoo for some time and so had Eugenie and Beatrice.

Jack Brooksbank had been friends with Markus Anderson for a long time - both in the UK nightclub scene

Meghan was also a friend of Markus Anderson

Markus Anderson is a close friend of George Clooney.

Clooney was influential in getting Brooksbank the position of Ambassador for the Casamigo tequila brand

Why does no one ever query how a man that was once the general manager of Mahiki nightclub, end up on the Royal balcony, married to a Princess?

Is any of this demonstrably untrue, does anyone know? I've definitely read about the Clooney link on here, it rings many bells. (Sorry I've got a memory like a sieve these days.)

maeveiscurious · 31/08/2022 11:46

ajandjjmum · 31/08/2022 10:55

Re. the link between M & H and Andrew, I remember reading that when Harry returned for his Grandfather's funeral, he was cold-shouldered by the majority of the family (just post Oprah) except for the Yorks. They understood what it was like to be attacked by the Press, and were happy to give him support.

Harry was with William and Kate at the funeral.

SpinCityBlues · 31/08/2022 11:48

MaulPerton · 31/08/2022 11:42

People in the US are very focused on pretending they don't need to address the many high-profile businessmen, celebs and politicians who were even closer to Epstein than Andrew was

A good comment, and has parallels with H & M 'supporters' not criticising H & M because they spout equality and, therefore, can't possibly be the same as the other lot even though they are

Yes, we're not even allowed to name them, are we? It's all on other websites though, if anyone wants to know. Just google for it.

Readinginthesun · 31/08/2022 11:53

maeveiscurious · 31/08/2022 11:46

Harry was with William and Kate at the funeral.

Catherine engineered the 2 brothers walking back to the castle but I read that at the reception/ tea afterwards only A spoke to H and he didn’t hand around .
If I recall correctly . Peter Phillips walked o to the church between W and H ?

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