Meghan Markle Archetype podcasts & interviews

[susan12345678]

As the last thread filled up & there's plenty of discussion of Meghan's interview in The Cut, seems worthwhile starting a new thread!

A read yesterday that a series of media interviews are planned to promote the podcasts. Should be very interesting if The Cut interview is anything to go by!

It is the ancient racist trope of the black temptress stealing away the white woman's man.

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Aren't tropes supposed to be, by definition, commonly understood and recognisable? I've literally never heard anything about this one. Can you explain its ''ancient'' origins, please?

I don't read the tabloids so I'll take your word for it.

I will say that there's a difference between attracting interest from a relatively small but prolific group of internet obsessives than being famous in the sense of being widely recognised walking down the street anywhere in the world.

If Meghan is as globally famous as you say, to what does she owe that fame?

I really wish people would stop assuming that any criticism of Megan is the result of racism. It's obvious to all who can hear, see and read that she's a very tricky character.

I once was a fan of the royal family enjoyed the traditions etc
but MM and H being so entitled has made me rethink the whole sorry show

Just the opposite with me. Was always rather indifferent to the Royal Family, but now I feel sort-of "protective" about them because they seem to be under unfair attack. Odd, I know.

Just the opposite with me. Was always rather indifferent to the Royal Family, but now I feel sort-of "protective" about them because they seem to be under unfair attack. Odd, I know

Yes, I feel the same.

@BadgerB

I’m the exact same.

I think you have your sexes reversed there - it’s the black man/white woman which is the trope, viz Othello.

I think also staunch side taking is too much. People should be allowed to be constructively criticised if people.dont agree with what they do. They are public figures.

Harry is in a vulnerable position. It was wrong of her to dismiss that. Also she was when she was in the UK and perhaps Harry was useless.

I do sometimes wonder if the genders were reversed how people would view it. The retired Queen of Hollands niece married a man that ludicrous comments on the royal family. All they could say was it didn't represent their world.

None of those things applied during the first couple of years of their marriage. Meghan was also in a vulnerable position, yet I never hear speculation that he manipulated her.

Harry has a circle of friends, including old friends, who he plays Polo with on a regular basis.

The vulnerability factor is there in any relationship. Any regular Joe or Jane is capable of manipulating someone else in a relationship if the will is there to do so. It's just curious to me that Meghan is routinely accused of this, when by his own words it was just as much Harry's decision to move as hers.

I do feel protective. Don't always with things that happened but all this is unfair. They are just doing their jobs albeit one where you walk a tightrope.

They don't seem to do sensitivity do they. Why not show some respect and kindess, allow Diana's anniversary to pass then launch all this stuff in Sept. How awful for PW to be dealing with his Mum's anniversary and also the constant crap from his db's camp.

I don’t think he manipulated her. I think he let her down badly.

Google is free. Take a look at the Jezebel trope. There's absolutely tons of research into it that explain it far better than I can.

@amyneedssleep
Do you really think the article shows MM in a positive light overall?!
We must have read different articles.
I'm actually surprised MM didn't have "her people" issue an injunction to halt it going to press, it's that bad. She is being badly advised by all the PR agents lining their pockets by her. The article made her look like a ridiculous navel-gazing privileged idiot. It's far more damaging than Tom Bower's book as it's her very own words that make her look bad.

I really don't, but thanks for trying it. Othello was actually a good insight into how even the much oppressed black man was awarded more sympathy in comparative fiction than the black woman. The character of Iago was clearly painted as a villain and therefore his descriptions of Othello would have been viewed as manipulative and cowardly. The play had a ton of nuance that even modern writers struggle to emulate.

Poor Harry has looked as miserable as sin since he moved to the States. I'm sure if they keep their heads down and Meghan keeps her gob shut for a a year or 2, throw themselves into some un publicised good works, building some schools in 3rd world countries, they might be able to snatch victory from the jaws of disaster, rather than vice versa

It is the ancient racist trope of the black temptress stealing away the white woman's man. Harry was the people's prince, and a lot of obsessed royalists still cannot accept the fact that he chose a woman of colour, and not just that, one who is confident and outspoken. If they straight out declared that she used some sort of voodoo spell on him they'd be called crazy, so instead they come up with this narrative that she's a narcissist who has gaslit him into a relationship and now he's too isolated to escape.

What utter crap.

Ha ha ha

She is being badly advised by all the PR agents lining their pockets by her.

Is she being badly advised, or just refusing to listen to advice?

If she's still being represented by Sunshine Sachs, they're pretty slick operators, the best in the business. But Meghan strikes me as being utterly self-absorbed and driven by bitterness and anger, rather than a logical appraisal of what would work best for her image and future career. I don't think she has the faintest idea of how awful this makes her look.

@NoName2223 I think the article shows her in a realistic light and overall I think she comes across well, if a little too controlling of her image (but I can hardly blame her for that given how little control she has in the tabloid press.)

I don’t think Harry could mannipulate Meghan as she is the one with the brains. He could have helped her more but again she is the one with the education and brains and understanding of the real world.

I read excerpts from the New York article.
I think the good news is for Meghan she is in charge of her own publicity . I think the bad news for her is she in charge of her own publicity.

You feel protective of a family taking enormous wealth resources while the rest of the country faces serious problems? This is wrong.

I understand why Parliamentary monarchies can be a choice instead of a republic, but there is no way I need to protect billionaires, who made their wealth on the back of taxpayers, to keep their wealth in offshore accounts. It boggles my mind that no one in the press in the UK followed the amount of money the BRF have in fiscal paradises when the Pandora files were released.

And in the meantime, the tabloids keep talking about Harry and Meghan.

Thanks for your illuminating contribution!