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susan12345678 · 2022-08-24T07:30:24+00:00

Meghan's long-awaited podcast has launched. Sorry if there's a thread about this already. Has anyone listened to it yet? Thoughts?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 26/08/2022 19:10

Maybe because some just "pick a side" and then wade in with little apparent thought, ArcaneLana? Lets face it we see it on here all the time, with ridiculous claims based on very little, or at best what some fool has posted on an online sewer

At least there appeared to be some substance to what was said about the Al Manaar Centre, but that was hardly Meghan's fault - not that it stopped the media making a huge thing out of it

Best, IMO, to stick with what whoever-it-is has actually said and done, remembering that the accounts of others are subjective at best

MarshaMelrose · 26/08/2022 19:23

IrisVersicolor · 26/08/2022 19:05

But it’s perfectly ok to call MM names, though, right?

The whole article is an attack on Megan, so whether the dumb mutt comment was directed at her or Harry is moot.

Well no it’s not: if it was directed at Megan then it is straight up racism. My reading was that it referred to Harry, but I wouldn’t put ‘mutt’, ‘mongrel’, ‘halfbreed’ or anything similar in a piece about a mixed race woman because they’re used as terms of abuse.

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But it’s perfectly ok to call MM names, though, right?

Sorry, what? Where have I said that? I've actually said the press treat newcomers to the RF awfully.

The whole article is an attack on Megan, so whether the dumb mutt comment was directed at her or Harry is moot.

I don't think it's moot at all. People are allowed to criticise her work. But not allowed to be racist.
If you go back through my posts, you will see I have stuck up for Meghan and said that interviewing people is difficult and she needs time to learn the craft and will get better. However, I also feel I have the right to say called the Governors house a housing unit is being somewhat deceptive and manipulative on her part.

Well no it’s not: if it was directed at Megan then it is straight up racism. My reading was that it referred to Harry, but I wouldn’t put ‘mutt’, ‘mongrel’, ‘halfbreed’ or anything similar in a piece about a mixed race woman because they’re used as terms of abuse.

I'm glad you agree it refers to Harry. Arcane was upset that it referred to Meghan but, hopefully, such a staunch supporter as yourself saying it was about H will make her feel somewhat assuaged.

I've never used those words to refer to people. I haven't used any bad words about Meghan. I really don't know why you're attacking me when I've been fair and defended her. Pfft.

ArcaneLana · 26/08/2022 19:24

@Puzzledandpissedoff I agree and to be honest I have done this. For example I l really like Beyoncé, I think she is an amazing performer and have seen her live so many times. I used to feel a type of way when she was accused of stealing writing credits.. and didn’t want to admit that I find her pretty boring when she is being interviewed 🙈.

CauliflowerCheese30 · 26/08/2022 19:30

@ArcaneLana I loved Beyonce but I just can't seem to like any of her stuff anymore, I was watching her Glastonbury performance in bed the other night and she was amazing, I have only heard a tiny bit of one of her new songs and I didn't carry on listening.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 26/08/2022 19:31

That's very honest of you, ArcaneLana, and I do agree that we all feel the urge to do it at times ... it's just that some of us genuinely try not to, remembering that it's better avoided

wordler · 26/08/2022 19:35

What Meghan and Kate too in recent years have now that makes it worse than in Diana and Fergie's day is a four-part online/internet news issue - the comments section, and the regurgitation of old stories reposted on a daily basis to rile people up.

1 - the economic model needing clicks for revenue so increasingly goady headlines added to sometimes quite bland and factual stories which add to the feeling of attacks against a particular person. (yes, that happened in print too but it's a one and done there - not flashed over hundreds of outlets and shared incessantly)

2 - the comments section, most news outlets have given up on attempts to properly monitor comments sections, and they don't turn them off because they like the revenue from those clicks and people arguing and creating all this extra free content for them. The comments section is where a lot of Britain's racism and misogyny shows itself quite blatantly. I imagine if you are the subject of a critical story and it starts with an attacking headline and ends with hundreds of attacking comments it feels a lot worse than if you'd just read the main meat of the article on its own. But the press pretends they only wrote a factual story and it's not their fault the things that commentators say.

3 - article scraping by hundreds of sites making money by regurgitating news stories often twisting the headline even further to make the story sound even more salacious

4 - repeating old stories which have proved good clickbait on a regular basis years, and sometimes decades after the original article. Even this week I saw articles talking about how the Queen felt about Kate not having a proper job before they got married - and I don't mean mentioning it in another article - that was the headline - as if we haven't read that story before. It's another chance to publish the "Kate is lazy" article. Same thing happens with Meghan.

It's a full on onslaught of negativity - I can't imagine how hard it is to live under.

derxa · 26/08/2022 19:40

Jan Moir is the type of journalist who is caricatured in Private Eye magazine as 'Glenda Slagg' She is paid to write nasty or gushing articles about people according to the Daily Mail's likes or dislikes. Obviously the DM hate Meghan because she sued them and won. That article was nasty. However I prefer to look at people's actions and words.

MarshaMelrose · 26/08/2022 19:42

To in any way commensurate the level of attacks on MM with those on Diana and the rest of them. People absolutely fawn over Diana and Kate.

Now. Now they fawn over them but they didn't used to. To be honest this feels like a rewriting of history.

Diana got constant criticism right up to her death. No one fawned over Kate til Meghan arrived. In fact, looking back, when Fergie came on the scene, they laid off Diana too for a while.

Not only did the press say nasty things about Kate, but they published horrible things about her mother and brother. They never said anything negative about Doria. Thomas, well, that's on him. And Kate had pictures of her naked spread across the world. They never went that low with Meghan.

The difference between them all ultimately, was that the UK is their home. It's where their friends and family are. Where would they flee to, the future queens married to the future kings and mother of future kings of the UK?

Ohnonevermind · 26/08/2022 19:43

Jan Moir is a nasty journalist. Her bitterness is palpable.

derxa · 26/08/2022 19:44

wordler · 26/08/2022 19:35

What Meghan and Kate too in recent years have now that makes it worse than in Diana and Fergie's day is a four-part online/internet news issue - the comments section, and the regurgitation of old stories reposted on a daily basis to rile people up.

1 - the economic model needing clicks for revenue so increasingly goady headlines added to sometimes quite bland and factual stories which add to the feeling of attacks against a particular person. (yes, that happened in print too but it's a one and done there - not flashed over hundreds of outlets and shared incessantly)

2 - the comments section, most news outlets have given up on attempts to properly monitor comments sections, and they don't turn them off because they like the revenue from those clicks and people arguing and creating all this extra free content for them. The comments section is where a lot of Britain's racism and misogyny shows itself quite blatantly. I imagine if you are the subject of a critical story and it starts with an attacking headline and ends with hundreds of attacking comments it feels a lot worse than if you'd just read the main meat of the article on its own. But the press pretends they only wrote a factual story and it's not their fault the things that commentators say.

3 - article scraping by hundreds of sites making money by regurgitating news stories often twisting the headline even further to make the story sound even more salacious

4 - repeating old stories which have proved good clickbait on a regular basis years, and sometimes decades after the original article. Even this week I saw articles talking about how the Queen felt about Kate not having a proper job before they got married - and I don't mean mentioning it in another article - that was the headline - as if we haven't read that story before. It's another chance to publish the "Kate is lazy" article. Same thing happens with Meghan.

It's a full on onslaught of negativity - I can't imagine how hard it is to live under.

Yes I agree with all of this. If I was famous I would try not to read any of this bilge but it must be difficult not to.

ArcaneLana · 26/08/2022 19:54

wordler · 26/08/2022 19:35

What Meghan and Kate too in recent years have now that makes it worse than in Diana and Fergie's day is a four-part online/internet news issue - the comments section, and the regurgitation of old stories reposted on a daily basis to rile people up.

1 - the economic model needing clicks for revenue so increasingly goady headlines added to sometimes quite bland and factual stories which add to the feeling of attacks against a particular person. (yes, that happened in print too but it's a one and done there - not flashed over hundreds of outlets and shared incessantly)

2 - the comments section, most news outlets have given up on attempts to properly monitor comments sections, and they don't turn them off because they like the revenue from those clicks and people arguing and creating all this extra free content for them. The comments section is where a lot of Britain's racism and misogyny shows itself quite blatantly. I imagine if you are the subject of a critical story and it starts with an attacking headline and ends with hundreds of attacking comments it feels a lot worse than if you'd just read the main meat of the article on its own. But the press pretends they only wrote a factual story and it's not their fault the things that commentators say.

3 - article scraping by hundreds of sites making money by regurgitating news stories often twisting the headline even further to make the story sound even more salacious

4 - repeating old stories which have proved good clickbait on a regular basis years, and sometimes decades after the original article. Even this week I saw articles talking about how the Queen felt about Kate not having a proper job before they got married - and I don't mean mentioning it in another article - that was the headline - as if we haven't read that story before. It's another chance to publish the "Kate is lazy" article. Same thing happens with Meghan.

It's a full on onslaught of negativity - I can't imagine how hard it is to live under.

Agree so much with this.

SilverLiningPlaybook · 26/08/2022 20:00

LondonWolf · 26/08/2022 18:20

"Listening to the first episode of Archetypes, which found the rich, famous and successful duchess discussing status issues and first-world struggles with her rich, famous and successful pal Serena Williams, could make anyone long for the slobbering embrace of an undemanding ball of goofy fluff. But more of Harry later"

"Still, how lovely to open up her home to another dumb mutt with barking issues. Just imagine poor Mamma Mia, whimpering around the Montecito mansion, paws over her silky ears, as Meghan recounts one more bloody time how she wrote to Procter & Gamble about its sexist washing-up advert."

This is what she wrote. I thought she was talking about Harry tbh - he is the one she likened to a dog initially. Still not at all pleasant though. However I can see how it could be I interpreted as Moir saying there are already "dumb mutts with barking issues" in the home - so could mean either H or M, or both.

The dumb mutt refers to the dog she and Harry have adopted. It’s a rescue dog, so their PR are desperately trying to mitigate the damage by putting out a ‘what a wonderful empathetic dog lover’ type article I imagine. The joke is that the dog is covering it’s ears as she witters on.

CPL593H · 26/08/2022 21:03

wordler · 26/08/2022 19:35

What Meghan and Kate too in recent years have now that makes it worse than in Diana and Fergie's day is a four-part online/internet news issue - the comments section, and the regurgitation of old stories reposted on a daily basis to rile people up.

1 - the economic model needing clicks for revenue so increasingly goady headlines added to sometimes quite bland and factual stories which add to the feeling of attacks against a particular person. (yes, that happened in print too but it's a one and done there - not flashed over hundreds of outlets and shared incessantly)

2 - the comments section, most news outlets have given up on attempts to properly monitor comments sections, and they don't turn them off because they like the revenue from those clicks and people arguing and creating all this extra free content for them. The comments section is where a lot of Britain's racism and misogyny shows itself quite blatantly. I imagine if you are the subject of a critical story and it starts with an attacking headline and ends with hundreds of attacking comments it feels a lot worse than if you'd just read the main meat of the article on its own. But the press pretends they only wrote a factual story and it's not their fault the things that commentators say.

3 - article scraping by hundreds of sites making money by regurgitating news stories often twisting the headline even further to make the story sound even more salacious

4 - repeating old stories which have proved good clickbait on a regular basis years, and sometimes decades after the original article. Even this week I saw articles talking about how the Queen felt about Kate not having a proper job before they got married - and I don't mean mentioning it in another article - that was the headline - as if we haven't read that story before. It's another chance to publish the "Kate is lazy" article. Same thing happens with Meghan.

It's a full on onslaught of negativity - I can't imagine how hard it is to live under.

I very much agree with this, seen it happen over decades and internet media has exacerbated it. Flavour of the Month (week?) until another FOTM comes along and the first is regarded as Fair Game, until the original FOTM is reinstated and fawned over just to provide variety and the newer model comes under attack. It is cheap, nasty and stokes up racism and misogyny (ever read anything negative about Commander Tim Lawrence, for eg? Jack Brooksbank?) It must be very difficult for the women on the receiving end to deal with and I'm sure can only spread discord amongst those in the firing line.

I also would not question that in Meghan's case there would have been additional credible and serious threats to security that the white British women who married into the RF didn't have. The way Fergie was treated by the press (way back when) was very unpleasant but there are whole other levels of how bad it can get.

MarshaMelrose · 26/08/2022 21:39

There's been quite a lot written about Princess Beatrice's husband, Eduard Mozzi, having a dodgy past. And Jack Brooksbank was accused of cheating because of hanging around on a yacht with women.
Maybe not to the same degree but they still have crap written about them.

Malie · 26/08/2022 21:48

Interesting that after all Harry and Meghan’s bleating about climate change to read that he flew 1000 miles by private jet for a polo game while his kit made the same journey by car! One law for the rich……

IrisVersicolor · 26/08/2022 21:50

MarshaMelrose · 26/08/2022 19:42

To in any way commensurate the level of attacks on MM with those on Diana and the rest of them. People absolutely fawn over Diana and Kate.

Now. Now they fawn over them but they didn't used to. To be honest this feels like a rewriting of history.

Diana got constant criticism right up to her death. No one fawned over Kate til Meghan arrived. In fact, looking back, when Fergie came on the scene, they laid off Diana too for a while.

Not only did the press say nasty things about Kate, but they published horrible things about her mother and brother. They never said anything negative about Doria. Thomas, well, that's on him. And Kate had pictures of her naked spread across the world. They never went that low with Meghan.

The difference between them all ultimately, was that the UK is their home. It's where their friends and family are. Where would they flee to, the future queens married to the future kings and mother of future kings of the UK?

No, people always fawned over Diana and Kate. They had detractors but they had much support too. It was even stevens. Whereas MM has primarily got bile. In a country in which she had no family or support network.

antelopevalley · 26/08/2022 21:56

MarshaMelrose · 26/08/2022 19:42

To in any way commensurate the level of attacks on MM with those on Diana and the rest of them. People absolutely fawn over Diana and Kate.

Now. Now they fawn over them but they didn't used to. To be honest this feels like a rewriting of history.

Diana got constant criticism right up to her death. No one fawned over Kate til Meghan arrived. In fact, looking back, when Fergie came on the scene, they laid off Diana too for a while.

Not only did the press say nasty things about Kate, but they published horrible things about her mother and brother. They never said anything negative about Doria. Thomas, well, that's on him. And Kate had pictures of her naked spread across the world. They never went that low with Meghan.

The difference between them all ultimately, was that the UK is their home. It's where their friends and family are. Where would they flee to, the future queens married to the future kings and mother of future kings of the UK?

Diana got fawning articles and attacking articles.

IrisVersicolor · 26/08/2022 21:57

MarshaMelrose · 26/08/2022 19:23

But it’s perfectly ok to call MM names, though, right?

Sorry, what? Where have I said that? I've actually said the press treat newcomers to the RF awfully.

The whole article is an attack on Megan, so whether the dumb mutt comment was directed at her or Harry is moot.

I don't think it's moot at all. People are allowed to criticise her work. But not allowed to be racist.
If you go back through my posts, you will see I have stuck up for Meghan and said that interviewing people is difficult and she needs time to learn the craft and will get better. However, I also feel I have the right to say called the Governors house a housing unit is being somewhat deceptive and manipulative on her part.

Well no it’s not: if it was directed at Megan then it is straight up racism. My reading was that it referred to Harry, but I wouldn’t put ‘mutt’, ‘mongrel’, ‘halfbreed’ or anything similar in a piece about a mixed race woman because they’re used as terms of abuse.

I'm glad you agree it refers to Harry. Arcane was upset that it referred to Meghan but, hopefully, such a staunch supporter as yourself saying it was about H will make her feel somewhat assuaged.

I've never used those words to refer to people. I haven't used any bad words about Meghan. I really don't know why you're attacking me when I've been fair and defended her. Pfft.

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At it’s heart the criticism of MM is both misogynist and racist. She hasn’t done anything to merit the kind of vicious bile and obsessive overanalysis directed at her ever word, action and turn of the head. It’s mad.

No-one is stupid enough to dress it up in overtly racist language (apart from the DM readers who are, at least, more upfront). It’s all micro-aggressions and the <it’s not because she mixed race/American/actress> it’s because she’s a really really terrible person. Yeah yeah. Meanwhile Prince Andrew, the RF’s own nonce, potters underneath the radar.

IrisVersicolor · 26/08/2022 22:00

antelopevalley · 26/08/2022 21:56

Diana got fawning articles and attacking articles.

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Diana had a level of fanship in this country rivalled only by the queen.

CPL593H · 26/08/2022 22:17

I remember that one of the major papers (forget which) was running with a prominent and critical article about Diana the night she died (basically Dodi and too many holidays) and it was too late to recall it. They ended up very much out of step that time.

I sometimes wonder what the response would have been had Fergie not got caught up in traffic and been where she was meant to be (the donated space in the Cantor Fitzgerald offices at the World Trade Centre) on the morning of 9/11. The staff of her charity were in the lobby waiting for her and thus survived too

antelopevalley · 26/08/2022 22:33

IrisVersicolor · 26/08/2022 22:00

Diana had a level of fanship in this country rivalled only by the queen.

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The women's magazines like Take a Break were big fans.

Gilmorehill · 26/08/2022 22:35

I actually think MM’s opinion about the fire is ‘unhinged’. I say that as someone who has actually experienced a house fire. I was extremely grateful to the smoke alarms and the fire brigade but so happy to have a play date arranged the next day as a distraction. Honestly, I think MM is making s

Gilmorehill · 26/08/2022 22:38

*something out of nothing. That may be so she has something to talk about or she overreacts to everyday problems. Either way, she was complaining about a non-problem.

derxa · 26/08/2022 23:00

Gilmorehill · 26/08/2022 22:35

I actually think MM’s opinion about the fire is ‘unhinged’. I say that as someone who has actually experienced a house fire. I was extremely grateful to the smoke alarms and the fire brigade but so happy to have a play date arranged the next day as a distraction. Honestly, I think MM is making s

After our fire all of us went to school and work the next day. That's what ordinary people do.

CauliflowerCheese30 · 26/08/2022 23:00

Gilmorehill · 26/08/2022 22:38

*something out of nothing. That may be so she has something to talk about or she overreacts to everyday problems. Either way, she was complaining about a non-problem.

That even if true, was not even comparable to Serena's situation, Meghan didn't want to carry on, Serena went out and won, even from that alone I know who I would look up to and encourage my daughters to look up too.