Andrew, The Abbey, Fergie and The Fraudster

[CathyorClaire]

Last thread closed so I thought I'd amalagamate the latest antics for further discussion.

Also wanted to reply to this post near the end:

Perhaps the opportunity to contribute via cleaning jobs will soon arise for them, perhaps even faster than Andrew imagines, if he is up to knowing how to turn on a vacuum that is

He allegedly sent for a maid to climb four sets of stairs to close his curtains. I think he'd struggle with a vacuum

Off to read up on the entirely unsurprising reports on links to the fraudster.

OverByYer Of course she knew. She's absolutely shameless, just like Andrew. After the Epstein disgrace and stream of financial scandals the only decent thing to do to apologise to her beloved nation was to banish him from public life, not parade him on front rows. Did she really think the press wouldn't keep digging to find more about what Andrew does with our money? She just does not care what we think. All a sham.

Twelve whole years ago the Queen showed 'concern' about PA's role as a trade envoy and his friendship with JE.

Showing concern just does not cut it with me I'm afraid. Maybe the whole sorry mess could've been averted if he'd been reined in decades ago.

As I said... there's no sympathy from me whatsoever.

It really is time for them to go, they seem to have no shame and are turning into a laughing stock and an embarrassment to the country.

I’d say it boils down to entitlement.

The heir rises up through the ranks & the spare is demoted as the heir gradually has children. A fall from being high up in chain must grate for some individuals depending on character.

Others will no doubt embrace it - I’m looking at Princess Anne. Just gets on with it, same with Edward now having had a few blips when young.

A friend has met Edward & Sophie (DodE) & said good things about them. Princess Anne I saw last year at ascot & didn’t realise it was her till later when it clicked when I saw her on tv. Very unobtrusive (?) just blended in with the crowd.

Andrew I feel would not be unobtrusive & be flouncing his status. Just my opinion. In the words of sound of music ‘what do you do with a problem like Andrew?’ Maybe exile him a La Napoleon?

Whatever it is they need to do it fast & soon as so far it’s not worked.

I feel for his daughters (if) they are innocent in all this. As some people know having toxic parents can be hard even if you love them.

This makes no sense for anyone , €1M as wedding gift , it’s so strange , I’ve heard of gifts like jewelry and such, But never money.

"No royal should accept a gift that puts them under an obligation to the donor, or could appear to put them under such an obligation"

Yes, I linked that info myself a while ago and it's a very obvious loophole, despite all who insist they "can't accept freebies"

The key is who defines whether an obligation's being created, and naturally the RF will expect to do that for themselves
Does anyone seriously imagine the more grasping members will think "Hmm, better not" when even the Queen's on record for trying to access a fund for the deprived to heat her palaces?

And before anyone says "She wouldn't even have known about it", the tone comes from the top, and monarchists who coo "Oooo the Queen's SO wise and notices everything" really can't have it both ways

Twelve whole years ago the Queen showed 'concern' about PA's role as a trade envoy and his friendship with JE. Showing concern just does not cut it with me I'm afraid

It doesn't cut it with me either, Roussette, but to claim here that the Queen had no idea would be even more ridiculous, and clearly she had no intention at all of reining Andrew in, so "showed concern" is probably the best we'll get

And IMO it simply isn't good enough

Twelve whole years ago the Queen showed 'concern' about PA's role as a trade envoy and his friendship with JE

Showing concern just does not cut it with me I'm afraid. Maybe the whole sorry mess could've been averted if he'd been reined in decades ago

Well indeed. The only two emotions the Queen seems to share publically are "concern" and "being saddened". She has missed the moment where she could have actually done done something to curtail PA's activities and further than that, taken the initiative and slimmed the whole organisation down and now it's too late, in her reign anyway, and that places Prince Charles in a very vulnerable position. But PC is also tainted by the Fawcett debacle now. Time for the UK to become a republic I think.

And as a total aside, I was listening to a political podcast this morning which mentioned Gavin Williamson's knighthood, which I think is fair to say, was not the most popular honour ever bestowed in recent history

Do we the general public really want to live in a country where this corrupt system still operates? I know many hard-working charity leaders are rewarded by it too, but far too many politicians have been allowed to harness the system for their own ends, in this case Boris Johnson, who briefed through others that Gavin Williamson receiving an honour was not something particularly he wanted, but evidently for one murky reason or another, it very much was; probably related to his position as Chief Whip under Theresa May's government, in which BJ served as foreign secretary, and knowing where "the bodies are buried" or "where the child support payments are going".

There is so little probity left in UK public life in the UK any more. I never used to think so, but I think politicians and the monarchy are both tainted.

Andrew and his family need their titles taken away. Fergie certainly doesn’t need hers. And the girls don’t need to be princesses. A fading into the background would be good for all of them

I disagree the girls haven’t put a foot wrong. I’m no fan of the Royal Family but I don’t think B and E are to blame for their father’s sins.

The girls are grown women. They have backed PA, even though they know what has gone on. I have zero sympathy for them

Maybe a compromise is they could do what the Swedish royal family have done - cut down on the amount of royals?

So the monarch & children & heirs dcs have royal titles. The rest no.

So remove royal tiltes (HRH) from the York girls, Kents & Gloucesters. Harry keeps his as he’s next monarch’s son. Going forward only George’s children will then be HRH?

I think I’m making sense (well covid fog & all that)

Youvebeen Totally agree. I just wonder where this country is ending up, at the moment.
We're mired in sleaze and lies, cash for honours, backhanders, dodgy deals and the like

Its very depressing.

But PC is also tainted by the Fawcett debacle now

That's very far from being all he's tainted by, but let's not forget he's claimed to be "shocked" by Fawcett's activities, just as he was "shocked" by Savile, "shocked" by Peter Ball and no doubt others.
It all seems a bit like the Queen's concerned/saddened, but with a bit more "Nowt to do with me guv" thrown in

With Beatrice and Eugenie the narrative's usually been "Poor girls, with parents like that; it's a wonder they've turned out so well", but if reports are correct it now seems Eugenie may also have received money from her father's corrupt pal - and I doubt we'll ever learn the full facts about that either

And it gets murkier.

Court papers suggest the alleged fraudster has seemingly been living in a Mayfair flat owned by the Crown Estate with no obvious payment being made for the privilege.

It's starting to sound like a rejected plot for 'Dynasty'

@MissMarpleRocks

Maybe a compromise is they could do what the Swedish royal family have done - cut down on the amount of royals?

So the monarch & children & heirs dcs have royal titles. The rest no.

So remove royal tiltes (HRH) from the York girls, Kents & Gloucesters. Harry keeps his as he’s next monarch’s son. Going forward only George’s children will then be HRH?

I think I’m making sense (well covid fog & all that)

Titles to what, scrounge indefinitely? For 60 years the whole family's sponged off the state, added multiple new claimants to its fraudulent claim, withheld information and failed to disclose its true assets. Plebs would get hauled through the courts, this lot are allowed to keep going? Why?

@CathyorClaire

And it gets murkier.

Court papers suggest the alleged fraudster has seemingly been living in a Mayfair flat owned by the Crown Estate with no obvious payment being made for the privilege.

It's starting to sound like a rejected plot for 'Dynasty'

Yep, there'll be a few oil magnates in there somewhere.

Cathy so as I suspected, that Pitch@Palace was just a scheme to make money as the Fraudster won it, whatever it was.
And to hear he was sponging accommodation off the crown estate is

@Roussette

Youvebeen Totally agree. I just wonder where this country is ending up, at the moment. We're mired in sleaze and lies, cash for honours, backhanders, dodgy deals and the like

Its very depressing.

It certainly is.

On another topic, can you imagine singing God Save the King, the national anthem when Charles takes over? The words are so inappropriate in this century, or AIBU?

@MissMarpleRocks

Maybe a compromise is they could do what the Swedish royal family have done - cut down on the amount of royals?

So the monarch & children & heirs dcs have royal titles. The rest no.

So remove royal tiltes (HRH) from the York girls, Kents & Gloucesters. Harry keeps his as he’s next monarch’s son. Going forward only George’s children will then be HRH?

I think I’m making sense (well covid fog & all that)

The Kents and Gloucesters carry out quite a lot of engagements. The attachment is from 2018 so it might have changed a bit. I am not sure removing their titles would help? Would that mean some charities just never had a royal patronage or visits?

Andrew has used Fergie's Instagram account to reminisce about the Falklands War. His posts also manage to be quite a bit about himself at the same time: "So whilst think back to a day when a young man went to war, full of bravado, I returned a changed man. I put away childish things and false bravado and returned a man full in the knowledge of human frailty and suffering."

On the one hand yes, he fought in that war and is entitled to reminisce about it on the anniversary but on the other, read the room! They really are a shameless pair.

His posts also manage to be quite a bit about himself at the same time:

No surprise there.

I mean, obviously he's talking about his experiences but the stuff about putting away childish things etc is just self-indulgence.

They are both so dreadful. And utterly shameless!!