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Andrew, The Abbey, Fergie and The Fraudster

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CathyorClaire · 01/04/2022 11:19

Last thread closed so I thought I'd amalagamate the latest antics for further discussion.

Also wanted to reply to this post near the end:

Perhaps the opportunity to contribute via cleaning jobs will soon arise for them, perhaps even faster than Andrew imagines, if he is up to knowing how to turn on a vacuum that is

He allegedly sent for a maid to climb four sets of stairs to close his curtains. I think he'd struggle with a vacuum Grin

Off to read up on the entirely unsurprising reports on links to the fraudster.

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Malibuismysecrethome · 09/04/2022 16:10

How no one saw through him truly astounds me. Alan Alders face is a picture.

BeckyWithTheAverageHair · 09/04/2022 17:42

One and the same @CathyorClaire!

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CathyorClaire · 09/04/2022 20:23

One and the same @CathyorClaire!

Charles had two dodgy mentors.

Mountbatten and Laurens van der Post. He really has been most unlucky in his choice of gurus.

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BeckyWithTheAverageHair · 09/04/2022 21:32

Oh yes, of course! What's that saying - fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me?

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CathyorClaire · 10/04/2022 10:55

That and 'You're known by the company you keep'.

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Alwayscheerful · 10/04/2022 18:34

@CathyorClaire

One and the same @CathyorClaire!

Charles had two dodgy mentors.

Mountbatten and Laurens van der Post. He really has been most unlucky in his choice of gurus.

Chosen by Charles to be William's Godfather, it beggars belief.
Andrew, The Abbey, Fergie and The Fraudster
Puzzledandpissedoff · 10/04/2022 19:30

Alwayscheerful that's the same paedophile with whom Charles went wandering around the Kalahari. Reportedly the Foreign Office tried to block this originally (wonder why Hmm) but in 1987 they went anyway

Not exactly the sort of man I'd want my son sharing a tent with, frankly ...

BeckyWithTheAverageHair · 10/04/2022 20:26

Then I don't even know what fool me thrice is! Honestly, how could you look at Savile and not see he was a creep? I grew up overseas so never saw Jim'll Fix It but I was not surprised at the revelations as I just assumed he was a sicko.

Roussette · 11/04/2022 07:20

I remember seeing that documentary on the victims of Peter Ball. It was heartbreaking.

Candleabra · 11/04/2022 08:38

@Roussette

I remember seeing that documentary on the victims of Peter Ball. It was heartbreaking.
Yes I saw that too. And Charles’ horrendous letters offering friendship and support AFTER he knew what Peter Ball had done.

All these paedophiles as friends, it really is unbelievable.

AnastasiaRomanov · 11/04/2022 09:20

I wonder if there is anything that they find beyond the pale amongst their pals. Not the public face of ‘disappointment’, but their real feelings.

Roussette · 11/04/2022 09:35

Yes I wonder too.
When is it too much?

Candleabra..
And a house.
Unbelievable

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CathyorClaire · 11/04/2022 10:59

Charles might not have meddled in the police investigation but he sent one of his aides to Lambeth Palace to meddle on Ball's behalf there:

www.insider.com/prince-charles-history-with-pedophile-priest-peter-ball-2020-1

Interesting article here about another aide being sent to the police to make enquiries on Charles' behalf:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/07/25/prince-charles-aide-asked-police-anything-could-embarrass-inquiry/

Wonder what might have prompted that and whether Joe Peasant would get the info under similar circumstances.

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 11/04/2022 12:00

It always amazes me that all the attention goes to Andrew's taste for befriending paedophiles and so little to the future king's, but while the "monstrous wrongs" letter to Ball is mentioned there was an even more sinister one, quoted here from the Church Times:
“I can’t bear it that the frightful, terrifying man is on the loose again, doing his worst ..."
“I was visiting the vicar. . . and we were enthusing about you and your brother and he then told me that he heard that this ghastly man was up to his dastardly tricks again ... I will see-off this horrid man if he tries anything again"

It's that last sentence which especially interests me, and what seeing him off really means ... a silly throwaway phrase, or something much worse?

CarolynMartens · 11/04/2022 12:23

uk.news.yahoo.com/jeffrey-epstein-told-people-prince-200840841.html

An extract from Tina Brown’s book on the Royals. Haven’t rtft so it may have been shared. It’s fairly blistering on Andrew.

Roussette · 11/04/2022 14:12

Carolyn that is scathing and I imagine very true

LBFseBrom · 11/04/2022 15:58

I always take things like that with a pinch of salt; so many writers and the like wanting to cash in. I don't think Lady Colin has written a book on this subject yet.

However I did watch 'Jimmy Saville: A British Horror Story' on Netflix and it is indeed a horror story. I stuck with it and it brought home quite vividly how devious and manipulating these people are. They can convince others than black is white. They cultivate friendships amongst influential people yet are never really friends in the sense of being close to anyone. If they did they would risk exposing what they were up to.

Epstein became close to Ghislane Maxwell many years ago and by the time he revealed to her what he was about, she was hooked. She did get out of it eventually but it was too late for her and she is now paying the price. Other than her it doesn't look as though he was ever close to anybody, though friendly with many.

I do recommend the documentary to all on this thread and that isn't something I would normally do because I wince at raking over horrible crimes; however it was good very and not gratuitous in any way, far better than anything else I have seen about him. He was a monster in plain sight and nobody saw it except his victims. It makes me shudder. I have no difficulty in believing that people admired and believed in him, even latterly when rumours started circulating.

Epstein was a similar type.

I'm glad I never met either. I'm not a high profile person anyway but I was a vulnerable teenager once upon a time and I did know a girl who knew Saville; he used to get her on Top of the Pops regularly. She was always talking about Jimmy, never said a word against him, almost revered the man. However that is all hearsay, we could all know someone who met whoever, therefore I'll say no more about it.

CarolynMartens · 11/04/2022 16:10

I will watch the documentary, it does seem to have had good press although obviously grim topic. The difference with Ghislaine is she did know what was going on, she was involved with it. Is there any evidence she tried to get out?

Torontoflyer · 11/04/2022 16:40

@CarolynMartens that Tina Brown article is fascinating for all the wrong reasons! Shock I know what the op means about writers cashing in, but Tina Brown is a respected international journalist and editor, not some disgruntled ex member of staff. And she has a more objective approach to the royals approaching as she does from a U S perspective.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 11/04/2022 18:30

I don't think Lady Colin has written a book on this subject yet

I expect it's only a matter of time Hmm

Come to that, I don't recall Paul Burrell having anything to say either, which makes a change - unless I've missed it?

notanotheroneagain · 11/04/2022 18:59

I presume there was a deal made with Paul Burrell that he should keep his mouth shut about the whole thing when the queen suddenly remembered something to absolve him from the charge of stealing Diana's things.

One of the objects that was missing was a recount from Diana. Around the time of her death she had gone around to the hospitals where Savile did his abuse. She took statements from the patients and staff. That report suddenly disappeared when Burrell took her things and was never recovered. I am guessing this was his 'insurance'.

All this was revealed by hactivists Anonymous around the time, they revealed a death bed confession from an ex MI5/6 employee.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 11/04/2022 19:31

Yes, that would make perfect sense notanotheroneagain. It seems obvious that the motive was to keep Burrell out of the witness box at all costs for fear of what he might say, but that wouldn't be much use if he just said it all later anyway - so a deal could well have shut it all down

Which may also explain why the wretched man has that constant smirk on his face ...

AnastasiaRomanov · 11/04/2022 20:07

@CarolynMartens

uk.news.yahoo.com/jeffrey-epstein-told-people-prince-200840841.html

An extract from Tina Brown’s book on the Royals. Haven’t rtft so it may have been shared. It’s fairly blistering on Andrew.

Ouch!
notanotheroneagain · 11/04/2022 20:41

On top of all this, another thing that stands out on the article is :

An indefinite dependence on one’s mother is both infantilising and dangerously unrealistic. Kate Waddington, a former wing woman for the Duchess of York, told me in 2006: “The ridiculous thing was that even when she was with Andrew, she paid for all the house decorations herself. She was always informed: ‘There is no money.’ Andrew would arrive on a skiing holiday and he’d have no stuff, and she’d have to buy it.”

What is with the not having any money for wives all about.
Instead of capping how much Andrew is spending, why do they think the wives have to pay for everything.

Remember how they told H&M there was no money for MM, she must work.
It's like they think we are still living in the old age times when the King married his son to the monarchy of France or wherever to gain coin/soldiers/power etc. 😂😂😂

And also the way they treat them. I swear these advisers live on the guidance of old books and have no idea of how things have changed.