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Andrew, The Abbey, Fergie and The Fraudster

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CathyorClaire · 01/04/2022 11:19

Last thread closed so I thought I'd amalagamate the latest antics for further discussion.

Also wanted to reply to this post near the end:

Perhaps the opportunity to contribute via cleaning jobs will soon arise for them, perhaps even faster than Andrew imagines, if he is up to knowing how to turn on a vacuum that is

He allegedly sent for a maid to climb four sets of stairs to close his curtains. I think he'd struggle with a vacuum Grin

Off to read up on the entirely unsurprising reports on links to the fraudster.

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notanotheroneagain · 01/04/2022 22:14

No, nothing brand new.

I was just referring to how The BBC were slow to talk about the Cash for Access story, long after everyone had reported. Then they never talked about the Prince Michael of Kent story, even though Channel 4 did a whole documentary with spy cams and evidence on it.

AnastasiaRomanov · 01/04/2022 22:40

The money was supposed to pay for Beatrice’s wedding. It’s all so complicated I struggle to understand it. The man is just up to his neck in dodgy dealings isn’t he? Completely and utterly morally bankrupt. It’s disgusting.

tontown · 01/04/2022 23:05

Prince Andrew has always been shady with money.

Graffittiunderpass · 01/04/2022 23:09

The press are taking their gloves off now it would seem.

I bet they have loads more where this came from.

OverByYer · 01/04/2022 23:13

As an aside as most people who are interested in the PA story are also interested in Ghislaine , she has lost her appeal for a retrial. Most excellent news.

notanotheroneagain · 01/04/2022 23:16

@OverByYer

As an aside as most people who are interested in the PA story are also interested in Ghislaine , she has lost her appeal for a retrial. Most excellent news.
Didn't know that. Wonderful news indeed. PA excusers would have used her case as justification.
tontown · 01/04/2022 23:17

The press are taking their gloves off now it would seem.

The turning is quite interesting. They are really digging into this PA story & they certainly highlighted the troubles with the recent tour.

OverByYer · 01/04/2022 23:20

I think when the Queen passes the media will hold the RF to far greater account.
Still can’t believe PA was given such a prominent role in the memorial service

Malibuismysecrethome · 01/04/2022 23:20

I’m no expert but I don’t think he would he pay tax on gifts? Are there not compliance laws isn’t it unacceptable to give gifts for contracts etc. What about money laundering laws are they all really above the laws of the land.

On a separate note I found The Cambridge’s trip to the Caribbean cringe. Absolutely tone death and badly judged. How do they actually think they reign over people.

Vapeyvapevape · 01/04/2022 23:26

Just wondering how the RF's bank accounts work - do they have private accounts that only they have access to or are they run by an accountant? I just can't imagine any of them checking their balance to see if payments have gone through.

EdithWeston · 01/04/2022 23:34

The official policy of acceptance of gists (from 2003, not found a more recent one, but I don't expect it changes that much)

Basically, they should never accept cash gifts (unless it is to them in capacity of patron of a charity and it goes straight to the charity), and all other gifts should be returned. If they can't be returned, they must be donated to a charity.

Also, no royal should accept a gift that puts them under an obligation to the donor, or could appear to put them under such an obligation

www.royal.uk/sites/default/files/media-packs/gifts_policy_2003.pdf

Thoosa · 02/04/2022 00:56

@niveaessential

Why blame PA? it was Turk who swindled the money and used it for whatever reason. Do you honestly believe that Turk would admit to PA that he swindled the 1 million he gave to him?
I think we’re blaming PA for his apparent habit of taking large cash sums from ransoms for no good reason.

In my works that’s very shady behaviour. Maybe not in yours? 🤨

Thoosa · 02/04/2022 00:56

Randoms^

Thoosa · 02/04/2022 01:18

@OverByYer

I think when the Queen passes the media will hold the RF to far greater account. Still can’t believe PA was given such a prominent role in the memorial service
Yep. I honestly believe if they don’t take drastic action now, PA, Fergie and their financial scandals have the potential to bring down the monarchy.

I think Charles and William are well aware this needs stamping on.

However, Charles needs to recognise that his fundraising activities aren’t much better, even though they benefit his charities.

It is now more than clear that Andrew and Fergie have been professional grifters on a ££££££££s scale since at least as far back as the Fake Sheikh scandal, which was more than a decade ago, and probably much longer than that.

Sophie Wessex also had a similar issue if taking cash for access. Was that Fake Sheikh too?

It’s a bit worrying that for a long while a gimmicky News of the World “journalist” was the only one really attempting to bring these things to light.

The basic problem is that some of these less significant royals want a lavish lifestyle they (and we) can’t afford.

According to Robert Hardman, there was a proposal in the 1970s to scrap the Civil List, dissolve the royal Duchies and put senior royals on salaries and fire the minor royals (screengrab attached). Maybe that idea needs revisiting?

Andrew, The Abbey, Fergie and The Fraudster
Andouillette · 02/04/2022 02:40

@Thoosa Sophie Wessex didn't take any money, she was somewhat indiscreet about the Queen and some politicians, mainly Tony and Cherie Blair.
www.mylondon.news/news/celebs/royal-family-scandal-sophie-countess-22999988

Youvebeengonesolong · 02/04/2022 03:05

Copied from the other thread:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Andrew,_Duke_of_York

Have a look at the section titled 'Controversies and other incidents'

He's been busy! Hmm

Roussette · 02/04/2022 05:17

What is sad and worrying is....

Probably years and years ago I started threads about PA and his dodgy dealings. I linked his Wiki page and other sources just like youvebeen has just done.
No one really posted, people weren't interested and here we are all this time later talking about exactly the same thing.
I wonder how much he's trousered in those intervening years.

I'm just furious that he's been allowed to get away with all this. I blame the family and the whole institution and I have no sympathy with them over this
They knew

There's articles out there from decades ago showing exactly what he was up to.
They knew. They let it go on. They reap what they sow

Roussette · 02/04/2022 06:31

And this....

twitter.com/M_MorganJones/status/1454010246985256969

"Re-reading this book, by a former British MP & Privy Council member.

If you don't already want to #abolishthemonarchy you certainly will after reading this. The chapter on Prince Andrew's corruption alone... 😬"

It's a thread worth reading

OverByYer · 02/04/2022 06:41

I have that book just started it.

EdithWeston · 02/04/2022 06:43

[quote Andouillette]@Thoosa Sophie Wessex didn't take any money, she was somewhat indiscreet about the Queen and some politicians, mainly Tony and Cherie Blair.
www.mylondon.news/news/celebs/royal-family-scandal-sophie-countess-22999988[/quote]
And it took two decades of unexceptional performance of duties for rehabilitation in the public eye.

The Duke seems not to be interested in taking that approach.

Here's the BBC version of the repayment to Nebehat Isbilen after the WTF actions of Selman Turk and the Duke.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60961791

On a slightly different tack, looking at the longer scope of history this will pass as unremarkable - look at the Duke of Cumberland, who remembers or cares now?

It does show there's a pretty long lasting problem with The Spares though.

Roussette · 02/04/2022 06:52

@OverByYer

It is a complete eye opener. I've read it twice. It can't be dismissed as nonsense opinion because the author has credentials.

Reading that article Edith.... it appears that only some of the money has been returned. And from what I've read elsewhere, the Yorks hung on to it for a couple of years... until the water got a bit hot.

We don't have a Duke of Cumberland, a Duke of Windsor because of wrongdoings.... I imagine this will be the last Duke of York too. They'll be running out of names soon.!

EdithWeston · 02/04/2022 07:12

Well all the titles will merge with the Crown when they run out of male heirs, and fall into disuse until such time as the Monarch wants to reuse one.

Windsor is unthinkable for quite a while yet.

But as I say, no one remembers that Cumberland and, apart from endless sausage jokes, there would be no reason not to re-use. Even if they don't do that, there are seven or eight extinct dukedoms (more if you count all the merged/unmerged variants) that could be reanimated.

Plus of course monarch can create new ones

OverByYer · 02/04/2022 07:46

I’m so glad this thread has started, I found previous ones so interesting and a real eye opener. I would previously have described myself as a monarchist ( although never liked the Yorks or other hangers on. Did admire the queen pretty much up until last week when she rocked up with Andrew. Not sure if she didn’t care or if she has affected her wisdom.

OverByYer · 02/04/2022 07:47

*age has affected her wisdom.