Andrew, The Abbey, Fergie and The Fraudster

[CathyorClaire]

Last thread closed so I thought I'd amalagamate the latest antics for further discussion.

Also wanted to reply to this post near the end:

Perhaps the opportunity to contribute via cleaning jobs will soon arise for them, perhaps even faster than Andrew imagines, if he is up to knowing how to turn on a vacuum that is

He allegedly sent for a maid to climb four sets of stairs to close his curtains. I think he'd struggle with a vacuum

Off to read up on the entirely unsurprising reports on links to the fraudster.

If this whole saga is as crooked as it seems, I wonder if there’s any chance PA could eventually find himself doing jail time?!?

Non whatsoever - as I said earlier, if the Queen will "suddenly remember a conversation" to keep Burrell out of the witness box, what might she do for the sake of her son?

@StartupRepair

He 'put away childish things' Except for the creepy collection of teddy bears.

🤣🤣

The pair of them are money grabbing leeches.They should be investigated for fraud and corruption.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60967996

BBC article on Beatrice and the 'wedding gift'

It was paid by Selman Turk to Prince Andrew and tagged as wedding gift for Beatrice. If you look at the guidance on Royals accepting gifts, then there is an exception to the usual £150 limit for gifts when the gift is to mark a wedding.

But (big but) there another rule that - unless accepting in role of patron if a charity, and funds go straight to the charity - Royals must not accept cash gifts.

I was wondering if he was trying to get round rules, but that rule about 'never keep cash' means I cannot think of a different interpretation than simply ignoring the standards completely.

It does mean that it's entirely possible the Princess knew nothing about it. After all, it wasn't ever in her bank accounts

It’s about time there was a public enquiry into PAs financial activity, in fact the whole RF.

Maybe she was upset at the funeral, not just for her GF, but for knowing what was about to hit....

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/03/prince-andrew-the-banker-and-a-mystery-750000-wedding-gift?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

This is so sleazy and murky

@OverByYer

It’s about time there was a public enquiry into PAs financial activity, in fact the whole RF.

Absolutely. We have this shower of deplorables with their snouts in the trough being pampered and fanned over by accident of birth.

I have just read a heart-rending thread about a Mumsnetter who wept because she couldn't afford a little packet of Asda baked treats for her children. This is 2022. Why on earth - WHY ON EARTH - do we have this ludicrous and morally-bankrupt family, immune from the pain of the rising costs in living, literally and figuratively lording it over us?

"Andrew repaid the £750,000 roughly 16 months after he received it and it remains unclear whether he was aware of the money entering his personal bank account, or what it was for."

The Palace must think the public are stupid. They have nothing to say because PA is what they are. There is no accountability and no transparency around the whole family which is why there are serious allegations of criminality for not only Andrew, but Charles too... and his cash for honours cover up.
Why wasn't the £750,000 declared as a cash gift? It wasn't.

He kept the money for 16 months.

Yes as I’ve said I would previously have classed myself as a monarchist but these threads and even the recent Caribbean tour have made me reassess. I used to like Will and Kate buy the tour was so superfluous, all that money spent on clothes and trinkets. Just doesn’t sit well anymore.

OverByYer no one would believe it, but a decade or so ago, I was quite the Royalist. I remember writing a defensive piece on the royals. But then the rot set in!
Lots of little things. I became more aware of PA and his behaviour. Diana and how she was treated as a young vulnerable girl (she wasn't perfect I know that). H&M. The cashing in, fake sheiks, chinese milk, total lack of transparency on finances, HMQ blocking laws that affect her. PA tipped the balance for me.

And here we are.

Yea rousette, your posts have really given me food for thought. I think we previously crossed swords on Harry/ Meghan boards ( still not a fan of his!) , have never liked PA but these discussions have made me see all of them in a different light. The Queen having PA at her side at Phillips memorial has really finished me off. I thought better of her.

I spotted the Instagram post and could hardly believe what I was seeing... could they both be really so utterly stupid and thick as to post something like that??? YES!!! He is a parasite now, and I hope Charles boots him well and truly out of Royal Lodge and all royal benefits when QE goes. Although no doubt QE will have made some kind of protective provision for him in her will

Yes, it's the not getting it that puzzles me. How can keeping a low profile become front and centre in the church and an HRH post on IG.
I know they are tone deaf but really didn't realise quite how much. Don't their DDs tell them to rein it in??
My DCs would be very verbal

OverbyYer. We have a lot of middle ground I'm sure, even on H&M!

Don't they accountants checking and querying what money comes in ?

@Roussette

Yes, it's the not getting it that puzzles me. How can keeping a low profile become front and centre in the church and an HRH post on IG. I know they are tone deaf but really didn't realise quite how much. Don't their DDs tell them to rein it in?? My DCs would be very verbal

OverbyYer. We have a lot of middle ground I'm sure, even on H&M!

I completely agree. This is the consequence of having lived such a life. They are not in the real world and never will be. I used to be supportive of the royal family too. Not any more. If there was a vote tomorrow I would say no. May be an unpopular opinion, but this all reflects terribly on the queen. She’s the boss, and she could have brought the monarchy into the 21st century with reform. It’s turned out she hasn’t been a safe pair of hands at all, she’s effectively brought about the demise of the royal family. Not yet, but it will happen.

Me too Roussette I used to be a monarchist but not any more. Fine if you have earned it and passed on a certain amount to your dc, but to have that amount of money through accident of birth seems wrong to me. The disparity of wealth between "them and us" is just too large now, given that so many people are struggling. And for PA and his wife to have spent their time scrabbling around for more lucre seems immoral to me when they could have used their time and privilege for the good of others. Isn't that meant to be the idea of monarchy, to serve? Or am I being too naieve to expect that?

PA is said to be strapped for cash but paid £12 million allegedly to pay off a charge of alleged sex abuse while living in a £30 million house and driving around in an £80,000 brand new Land Rover. What upsets me is the frivolity of it. A family member of mine works in homelessness. She knows families with primary school children on council waiting lists for new accommodation who have been living in b&bs for eighteen months or more, sharing bedrooms with their parent, and bathrooms and kitchens (if there is one) with complete strangers. The homelessness charity she works for struggles for funding every year, she spends hours writing bids and all funding is temporary and comes with massive strings attached so they lurch from day to day financially, trying to stay open, without being able to plan financially for the next five years even. She cried when a local business man wrote them a cheque for £10, 000 because it meant they had a stop-gap of funding and everyone could breathe for a week and focus on their end-users.

And yet PA or his family & friends have been able to come up with £12 million to head off a sex abuse allegation. Thankfully some of that some has gone to victims' charities but just think what even 5 % of that money could have done for others!

@Roussette

Maybe she was upset at the funeral, not just for her GF, but for knowing what was about to hit....

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/03/prince-andrew-the-banker-and-a-mystery-750000-wedding-gift?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

This is so sleazy and murky

Low blow @Roussette.

I actually do feel sorry for those two young women. Their upbringing has been problematic to say the least, the wonder is that they’ve turned out as well as they have. We all know about the effect dysfunctional families have on people and how they struggle as adults. Anyone in any doubt should read the stately homes threads.

I don't mean it to be so Blossom

Their parents behaviour must have an effect on them surely...

I flip from feeling sorry for them. To not. We have no idea what the family dynamic is like do we? My DD would be beside herself if she was named in a court case of my DH's sleazy goings on. How treacherous of him to use his daughter who was just about to get married. Vile.

Their parents behaviour must have an effect on them surely...

Of course, that’s exactly what I said. I really feel for them. Criticising them for their odious parents’ appalling behaviour feels a bit like victim blaming to me.

It just gets worse, sorry if it’s already been linked to but the fraudster was living in a flat owned by the Crown estate
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10677953/Alleged-fraudsters-home-owned-Queen.html#l1j3j4bkhycmavjrnfd

We have no idea what the family dynamic is like do we?

I think we're getting a pretty good idea. Very similar dynamic to the families you see on Fraud Squad where the matriarch directs the financial carryings-on and the children go along with it.

King George himself even said "we're not a family, we're a firm" and still the British public chose not to think about the implications of that choice of word. time.com/5945032/what-is-the-firm-royal-family/

Criticising them for their odious parents’ appalling behaviour feels a bit like victim blaming to me

Could you tell me where I have directly criticised them? I said sometimes I feel sorry for them, sometimes I don't. And I said they must know some of what their parents were doing. That's all. If you want to level 'victim blaming' at me... that's your prerogative.

"The Crown Estate, which owns land and property across Britain, is owned by the monarch and funds the Royal Family via the Sovereign Grant.

There has been no 'obvious payment' from Mr Turk's bank accounts to the Crown Estate, witness statements lodged with the High Court claim."

So a fraudster and pal of PA's was living rent free in a Crown property?

Does anyone feel like the tide has turned.... and after many decades the Press are not going to drop PAs dodgy dealings any time soon....

As I have said before, I have never been anti-monarchist. I am certainly nit pro-elected Head of State- can you imagine what we'd end up with then!

I think we need a drastic change to how the Royal Family is structured and operates.

Some suggestions:

Only the heir to the throne and their children have a title of any kind. Prince/Princess/Duke/Earl whatever.

Only the direct heir to throne- Charles, William, George and the Monarch has the title HRH. The rest lose theirs immediately.

Only the heir to the throne can pass on a title- that means in most cases a title is for life. Andrew's daughters and Edwards children, Harry's children, the Duke of Kent's children, the Duke of Gloucester's children, Prince Michael of Kent's children would have their titles removed immediately.

If they accept a title (Edward/Harry/Anne/ Kent/Gloucester/Prince Michael/Princess Alexandra) they work full-time for the country- charities, events, dinners, foreign trips etc. 5 days a week.If they choose not to they lose the title and any privileges.

In return they can live in houses on the Royal estate and receive an adequate allowance from the Duchy of Lancaster (the fund that pays the RF expenses).

All other member of RF fund themselves, do not live in houses on Royal Estate, receive any monies, or have any role in public life.

The ownership of: Sandringham and Balmoral (privately owned by the Monarch) remains as it us. As such the public purse and the Duchy of Lancaster is NOT responsible for their upkeep.

The Royal/Crown Estate - is dramatically reduced in size. Buckingham Palace becomes a museum/for use by the Monarch to entertain visitors, for official functions.
Kensington Palace is no longer a Royal residence.
All Royal residences, or those associated with Royal titles (Kent, Gloucester, Wessex) revert to the Royal/Crown estate when the current occupant dies.

Andrew and his family lose all of their titles and HRH are removed from having any status immediately. He is shameful. They are banned from property on the Royal/Crown estate. They never appear again at national or official royal family events.

Any more?

This is an interesting article on Andrew's finances alongside the tax payer funded lavish travelling the chancing grifter used to treat himself to:

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-andrews-massive-income-shrouded-20931513

I've read the QM left him a trust before and it looks like the king had too. Of course we'll never know because royal wills are sealed against the plebs' prying eyes.

He's supposed to be the third richest royal behind the queen and Charles. Time for a forensic look into his finances.