First visit of royal tour cancelled because of local protest

[Viviennemary]

Just seen on sky news William and Kates visit to a farm in the Caribbean was cancelled becsuse of a local protest. I am with these locals. From their point of view why should those two very entitled unelected multi millionaires who have virtually nothing to do with their country be visiting and expecting to be honoured and bowed and scraped to. They are no better or important than anybody else.

Yes, but they are not the countries themselves having the ability to make the changes they need, they are bodies that the countries have to lobby and hopefully persuade to make the changes they need. There’s a difference. Hence why membership of the Commonwealth remains attractive - there’s something in it for the members.

I believe that the people of a country should be able to decide on what is best for them and their country including who is the head of state and who governs. If a leader chooses for a country to become a republic then this is not a democracy. It’s just as bad as keeping a head of state who the people don’t wish to have.
Jamaica should absolutely have a referendum therefore, for it to be a democratic decision. A referendum that is well due. (In my opinion)
I don’t think that anyone would argue with this, including HM and those that represent her.
I doubt that if a decision is made for HM to be removed and Jamaica becomes a republic, I doubt that they will also wish to leave the CW. As has happened with Barbados. It is beneficial as others have eloquently posted, without the governance.

notanotheroneagain, I am surprised that you feel and encourage that W&K should experience (more) lies and manipulation in the press as you previously posted on page 8. It’s countering your valid argument against hate. It’s never ok.

If you have a legitimate need, you will present your case, same with CW or any other organisation.

The CW also have to abide by each country rules, they are not the county itself. They are also a body. SA is not run the same way as Jamaica etc. Nor will they be funding vanity projects either.

@MummyJ12 I said there was no referendum for the queen to be head of state. So there should be no referendum to remove her. Where was the democracy then?
She can get removed, and if people want her back, a referendum can be put in place to have her back, that way democracy is achieved as the people have chosen to have her.

You know very well, as I had explained it, that we have had the last few years of people not seeming to understand H&M predicament with what is being twisted about them. As the old saying goes, sometimes, you have to walk in those moccasins to know what the other person has been through - then you will fully understand.

Except, I did in fact give the stats !

You did but you did not give any comparison. Those stats are meaningless on their own. And you made the ridiculous statement that you can tell a plane is a gas guzzler by looking at it. A plane’s size has nothing to do with its fuel efficiency. I’m not saying that this plane is particularly fuel efficient, but you can’t make sweeping generalisations like that.

notanotheroneagain, two wrongs don’t make a right. That goes for all elements of your post above

The look of the size does make a difference. The plane turbine engines are beneath the wings. So you can clearly see the size of them.

I was making the statement in the same way as, if you look at a 120 room house all lit up, can you really say it's the same energy as a 3 bedroom house all lit up.

@MummyJ12

notanotheroneagain, two wrongs don’t make a right. That goes for all elements of your post above

Your statement would be valid, if the vitriol on H&M was not ongoing. We could all put it behind us, as we should not have treated them that way, but we stopped now and moved on. Unfortunately that has not happened.

The look of the size does make a difference. The plane turbine engines are beneath the wings. So you can clearly see the size of them.

You were talking about the size of the actual plane to start with, now you are talking about the size of the engines. Are you an aircraft engineer? You are spouting nonsense.

www.popularmechanics.com/flight/a20354/why-jet-engines-keep-getting-bigger/

You are the one sprouting nonsense. Did you even properly read your own 3 paragraph article or the video. Nothing on there has anything to dispute that a smaller private jet has less fumes or takes up more energy

You just plucked up an article that has absolutely nothing to do with anything on here!

You are the one sprouting nonsense. Did you even properly read your own 3 paragraph article or the video. Nothing on there has anything to dispute that a smaller private jet has less fumes or takes up more energy

I didn’t say it showed that. I was referring to you saying that the engines on the Airbus like this: The look of the size does make a difference. The plane turbine engines are beneath the wings. So you can clearly see the size of them.. And I was pointing put that it was nonsense to imply that bigger engines are less efficient. You have already claimed that you can tell a plane is a gas guzzler just by looking at it. Which is nonsense. Anyway, enough of this derail now.

I come from a CW country that has become a republic but retained its membership.

There is a huge diaspora here in the U.K. as well & as far as I’m aware from the friends & family I have both here & in the CW country people are happy being a member of the CW.

There is something we are all agreed on in the U.K. & that’s we are lucky to be here & have such range of opportunities open to us.

I said you can see by the size because posters were comparing private jet to larger carrier.

Your attachment clearly compares like for (almost) like. It points out the issue provide the thrust to overcome drag and push the airplane forward through the air for similar size planes. In that case, the bigger engines will be less efficient. Once more, for similar size flights. No comparison for a private jet that can take around 20 people to a carrier that can carry hundreds. Common sense, surely.

@MissMarpleRocks do you come and go without needing a visa?

Also, what do you think you are lucky about?

What were your observations that make you somehow more unique than other countries that are not part of the CW?

Genuine questions here, I am curious.

Thanks

No comparison for a private jet that can take around 20 people to a carrier that can carry hundreds. Common sense, surely

Common sense however also shows that although smaller planes emit a lower volume of emissions than a bigger plan, those emissions are generally split between a smaller number of people. Hence it’s better to take one big plane with as many people on it as possible than lots of smaller planes.

I’m a dual national as is my Dh & dcs so don’t need a visa.

My grandparents, my dad & my in laws came with a few pence in their pockets & worked hard & built up businesses. They couldn’t do that where we came from as the opportunities weren’t there (at the time) they are now. My granddad fought for Britain in the war & my mum was born here during wartime so roots here a long time. My dad became a lawyer here but he worked hard to do that. His ‘place’ where he originally came from he wouldn’t be able to have done so. I can’t tell you about other CW countries as I can only tell you about my experience.

@Serenster

No comparison for a private jet that can take around 20 people to a carrier that can carry hundreds. Common sense, surely

Common sense however also shows that although smaller planes emit a lower volume of emissions than a bigger plan, those emissions are generally split between a smaller number of people. Hence it’s better to take one big plane with as many people on it as possible than lots of smaller planes.

Which is what I was saying. That it makes more sense on full capacity for the bigger planes, which W&K were not !

Even commercial airlines will spill over to another (possibly affiliated) company if their bookings are too low.

@MissMarpleRocks

I’m a dual national as is my Dh & dcs so don’t need a visa.

My grandparents, my dad & my in laws came with a few pence in their pockets & worked hard & built up businesses. They couldn’t do that where we came from as the opportunities weren’t there (at the time) they are now. My granddad fought for Britain in the war & my mum was born here during wartime so roots here a long time. My dad became a lawyer here but he worked hard to do that. His ‘place’ where he originally came from he wouldn’t be able to have done so. I can’t tell you about other CW countries as I can only tell you about my experience.

THanks, @MissMarpleRocks

But respectfully, I was under the impression that you are currently at a CW country and was wondering what you are getting as an advantage.

It's a long story, but rules have changed. Are you aware that back in the 60s etc. in most African countries, you did not need a visa to come to the UK ,back then white coloniser descendants etc. had the means to travel freely. Things have massively changed, coincidentally when most African countries have more black people upwardly mobile. For example, before SA took back power, you did not need one, and it was mostly whites who could come in and out of this country. Soon as blacks took back the country, and more were upwardly mobile and could travel for leisure etc. the rules changed, and they need to go through hoops. Meanwhile, most whites in those countries could claim ancestry visas. Just a thought.

But respectfully, I was under the impression that you are currently at a CW country and was wondering what you are getting as an advantage oh sorry I thought I’d said - covid fog 😬 no as I said I can only talk about my experience.

It's like they just stepped in from the 19th century.

Seriously, who organises these things.

it makes more sense (to have) full capacity for the bigger planes, which W&K were not

That makes perfect sense; however my own objection wasn't around whether it was a large or small government-owned aircraft, but why they were using it at all instead of the perfectly good commercial services between the islands

I suppose it would make a difference if it was genuinely in the area at the time, rather than some excuse being used to fly it over for them, but I rather doubt that would be the case (though am happy to be corrected)

@notanotheroneagain

It's like they just stepped in from the 19th century.

Seriously, who organises these things.

If you’re asking who arranged for them to review the graduating officers from the same Land Rover the Queen and Prince Phillip used in the 1950s, that would be the Jamaican government, who clearly kept the vehicle and maintained it (or did you imagine that Kate and William flew it over with them from the UK? They didn’t).

If you’re asking who arranged for the Queen’s personal representatives to review the soldiers, again that would be the Jamaican military/government. It looks 19th century, because it is indeed a military tradition that dates back hundreds of years, and is performed all around the world. Normally it would be the Jamaican Governor General that performs that role, as seen here doing so in 2019.

Again, if you think either of these were the wrong decisions, pick it up with the Jamaican officials who organised this parade and presentation, perhaps?

I suppose it would make a difference if it was genuinely in the area at the time, rather than some excuse being used to fly it over for them

If you mean was it flown over just for them to use to fly between the islands, no it wasn’t they flew out to Belize on it with their entourage. Now they are using it to tour around and then they will return on it. It is a plane that belongs to the RAF and is used by the government as well.

If anything that seems even worse, smilesy - again, what's wrong with BA's first class service to Barbados?

@Puzzledandpissedoff

If anything that seems even worse, smilesy - again, what's wrong with BA's first class service to Barbados?

Maybe the fact that they're not visiting Barbados?