Prince Andrew Thread 4

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I'm starting a new one as events seem to be moving again. Sorry I can't do a link to no. 3

I believe the Duke of Kent was accompanied by his daughter-in-law (wife of the Earl of St Andrews)?

Still the headline is worse now, 'Queen showing support for favourite child'. I say better than 'discreet Andrew' .

As I said, let Charles or Edward do the walking with HMQ.

I'm not trying to convince you You're as entitled to your opinion as I am mine

Why, thank you! I didn't think you were and that does tend to be the way a discussion thread works!

I have tried to express my opinions politely throughout. I just happen disagree with what you are saying.

And yes, I agree that people will have different opinions on how well or not they succeeded. My view still stands that by accompanying the monarch, the head of the royal family, "the boss" with the top job, Prince Andrew's presence loomed much larger than was appropriate in the circumstances.

If you have been chosen to accompany the monarch when you have been publically disgraced, that sends out a clear message

Precisely, and it's the same message as every other time she's backed him, failed to rein him in, ridden out with him for pap shots, and sprinkled him with yet more honours just when the news is worst

And to me it says "He's my son, so I'll do what I like and f*ck the rest of you", which if correct seems less than admirable

@Puzzledandpissedoff

If you have been chosen to accompany the monarch when you have been publically disgraced, that sends out a clear message

Precisely, and it's the same message as every other time she's backed him, failed to rein him in, ridden out with him for pap shots, and sprinkled him with yet more honours just when the news is worst

And to me it says "He's my son, so I'll do what I like and f*ck the rest of you", which if correct seems less than admirable

To some people it might mean, "He's my son, I have no illusions whatever about him and I have been furious with him. People who think I believe him to be a great innocent must need their heads looking at. However, he is his father's and my son so there is no reason to bar him from coming to the service. I need help walking and will go in quietly the short way, so if he helps me that will be a reasonably tactful way of getting him in while the rest of the family do the front door stuff and talk to the clergy etc. That's my best plan in the circumstances."

Yes, it might well mean that to some, upinaballoon, and they could be right and myself mistaken

However it's not what it says to me, which is why I was clear that it's a personal view and that I'm not presuming to speak for others

Really disgraceful decision, I have lost what little respect I had left for the monarchy.

I think it's quite interesting that SF wasn't present.

Choice or diktat? Who knows.

As for Andrew I think at the very best it was ill-advised for him to have been seen doing anything other than scurrying in and out in a furtive fashion.

As it stands it's yet another two fingered salute to the plebs who fund the circus.

@NativityDreaming

Really disgraceful decision, I have lost what little respect I had left for the monarchy.

Yes, me too, and don't get me started on K&W , I had permanent second hand embarrassment watching the Tour recently.

I think it's quite interesting that SF wasn't present

I don't think she was PP's favourite person was she?

It would appear that there's a bit of a double standard when it comes to adultery and the RF...it's only acceptable when carried out by males apparently...or perhaps it's ok when you are discreet about it and don't get caught out by the papers?

I don't think she was PP's favourite person was she?

No, she wasn't but since he died she seems to have been a bit more welcome in the royal fold.

I just wondered if there could have been some sort of instruction from him forbidding her presence at his send-off.

@Eachdaygoesby

I think it's quite interesting that SF wasn't present

I don't think she was PP's favourite person was she?

It would appear that there's a bit of a double standard when it comes to adultery and the RF...it's only acceptable when carried out by males apparently...or perhaps it's ok when you are discreet about it and don't get caught out by the papers?

It's not so much the having if affairs, but the legalities of whether you're married or not.

Autumn Philips wasn't there either.

Fiancé/es get invited to some events (daytime, only one in recent times who has had an overnight invitation was MM) and any pre-engagement cohabitation is very discreet, and does not lead to invitations to events (eg the Wessexes)

If i were beatrice that 'd temper my affection for him he was awful to SF.
He loved Diana. I dont think SF brought more shame on the RF!
AND OBVIOUSLY nobody brought nore shame on the rf than his own second son.

@Ambition9to5

If i were beatrice that 'd temper my affection for him he was awful to SF. He loved Diana. I dont think SF brought more shame on the RF! AND OBVIOUSLY nobody brought nore shame on the rf than his own second son.

No he didn't love Diana, he was horrible to her and about her.

I don’t think he loved Diana but he tried his best to help her and the marriage. More than the Queen did I think. SF was just a total embarrassment from day one. The toe sucking thing was the end of the road.