Prince Andrew Thread 4

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I'm starting a new one as events seem to be moving again. Sorry I can't do a link to no. 3

Hasn't Prince Andrew ever had any private money of his own?

I expect the key word there is "private", so we'll probably never know - especially when they cover up even things we might reasonably expect to be told

But as I said upthread, he's doubtless still got dubious pals who'll shell out for the honour () of being associated with a royal, some of them even worse than he is

@Mamamia7962

upinaballoon - He served in the Royal Navy for 22 years so would have been paid for doing that. He also has a Royal Navy pension of about £20,000.

Up until 2019 he was given an allowance of about £250,000 as a working royal. It is speculated that since then the Queen gives him an allowance from her own private funds.

I would imagine that the Queen Mother left him some money as she left all her great grandchildren something, so would have thought her grandchildren would have inherited money as well.

£250,000? For doing nothing apart from turn up at an event once or twice a year? It really is sickening.

HIGNFY tweet:

" Prince Andrew receives numerous new titles after British public comes up with about 20 in the space of an hour"

I did not read the full Fail article, but how does Andrew get anything from royal property at all. Didn't H&M pay back for budgeted renovations plus rent?

Also, didn't HMQ pay for his chalet dept anyway?

Randomly from twitter ... I smiled anyway.

Ha. Yeh.

£250,000? For doing nothing apart from turn up at an event once or twice a year? It really is sickening.

He was attending 350-400 engagements a year, behind Charles and Anne, and occasionally behind Edward, but ahead of the Queen and other members of the family.

Didn't H&M pay back for budgeted renovations plus rent?

No. They have never lived in Royal Lodge. They lived in Nottingham Cottage until Archie was born, then moved to Frogmore Cottage. They spent £2.4M on renovating Frogmore Cottage. They have not spent anything on Royal Lodge.

Also, didn't HMQ pay for his chalet dept anyway?

Again, No. Andrew and Sarah took out a £13.25M mortgage to pay for the chalet. The remainder of the purchase price was to be paid in cash, half from Andrew, half from Sarah. They made a deal with the previous owner to defer payment until December 2019. It is reported that they still haven't paid and have reached an agreement with the previous owner that they will pay when the chalet is sold. Once the previous owner and any outstanding mortgage have been paid off, any remaining money from the sale will belong to Andrew and Sarah.

@prh47bridge

£250,000? For doing nothing apart from turn up at an event once or twice a year? It really is sickening.

He was attending 350-400 engagements a year, behind Charles and Anne, and occasionally behind Edward, but ahead of the Queen and other members of the family.

Didn't H&M pay back for budgeted renovations plus rent?

No. They have never lived in Royal Lodge. They lived in Nottingham Cottage until Archie was born, then moved to Frogmore Cottage. They spent £2.4M on renovating Frogmore Cottage. They have not spent anything on Royal Lodge.

Also, didn't HMQ pay for his chalet dept anyway?

Again, No. Andrew and Sarah took out a £13.25M mortgage to pay for the chalet. The remainder of the purchase price was to be paid in cash, half from Andrew, half from Sarah. They made a deal with the previous owner to defer payment until December 2019. It is reported that they still haven't paid and have reached an agreement with the previous owner that they will pay when the chalet is sold. Once the previous owner and any outstanding mortgage have been paid off, any remaining money from the sale will belong to Andrew and Sarah.

What were these 350 odd engagements? They certainly weren’t reported on much!

Would this be a suitable place to mention that there's been another Epstein-related suicide?
With due apologies for the Fail link, it seems a remarkable coincidence that this also happened between guard watches and while cameras weren't working: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10530247/Jeffrey-Epsteins-friend-Jean-Luc-Brunel-prison-suicide.html

Gosh Puzzled I'd missed that.

Brunel was the man who sent JE three 12 yr old girls from Paris as a 'birthday present'

And the security cameras were inadvertently turned off when he died.

How convenient

If he died in his cell would there have been a video camera in there. Its a shame that the camera was not turned off on the plane showing GM flashing her cleavage

No. They have never lived in Royal Lodge. They lived in Nottingham Cottage until Archie was born, then moved to Frogmore Cottage. They spent £2.4M on renovating Frogmore Cottage. They have not spent anything on Royal Lodge.

I was not referring to RL, but FC. In the sense that other royals had to pay back renovations etc. I believe Andrew had his own deal though.

Again, No. Andrew and Sarah took out a £13.25M mortgage to pay for the chalet. The remainder of the purchase price was to be paid in cash, half from Andrew, half from Sarah. They made a deal with the previous owner to defer payment until December 2019. It is reported that they still haven't paid and have reached an agreement with the previous owner that they will pay when the chalet is sold. Once the previous owner and any outstanding mortgage have been paid off, any remaining money from the sale will belong to Andrew and Sarah.

The Chalet thing confuses me, as last I heard, Andrew was not working and being chased up by the owners, so HMQ decided to pay it off for him. How many chalets are there?

I haven't read the security cameras were turned off, just that he was alone in his cell when it happened and that the majority of the cells don't have cameras in them.

What were these 350 odd engagements? They certainly weren’t reported on much!

Most engagements by members of the Royal Family don't get reported much. Charles and Anne both average more than one engagement a day, but we rarely hear about any of them. The figures are drawn from the Court Circular, which is published in some daily newspapers. It is searchable online, but be careful when using that - the online version has some duplicate entries and some items that wouldn't be counted as engagements, but it also has just a single entry per day even when there are multiple actual engagements.

[quote Puzzledandpissedoff]Would this be a suitable place to mention that there's been another Epstein-related suicide?
With due apologies for the Fail link, it seems a remarkable coincidence that this also happened between guard watches and while cameras weren't working: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10530247/Jeffrey-Epsteins-friend-Jean-Luc-Brunel-prison-suicide.html[/quote]
So another Epstein henchmen (can't call them pimps really) has died.

Talk about a clean up.

Brunel was the man who sent JE three 12 yr old girls from Paris as a 'birthday present'

Yes, he was - and now he's dead

Strange, isn't it, that so many of those who could potentially say something about the rich and powerful end up this way?

I was not referring to RL, but FC. In the sense that other royals had to pay back renovations etc. I believe Andrew had his own deal though.

The point with RL is that Andrew was required by the lease to refurbish the property at his own expense. The refurbishments were estimated to cost £7.5M excluding VAT but actually cost substantially more. The DM's point is that, if the Crown Estate terminate the 75-year lease, they may have to repay some or all of the money he was required to spend. This is somewhat different to the position with H&M and Frogmore Cottage where they chose to pay for refurbishment and decoration and where they left voluntarily.

The Chalet thing confuses me, as last I heard, Andrew was not working and being chased up by the owners, so HMQ decided to pay it off for him. How many chalets are there?

I'm with you now. The debt was settled late last year. Some newspaper reporting gave the impression that the debt was entirely Andrew's whereas half of it was Sarah's. I haven't seen any reports suggesting the Queen provided the funds for this.

There are reports out there to say she settled the debt on the ski chalet.
And there are reports to say she didn't
And there are reports to say it wasn't settled

As usual, it's murky and we don't know

I read yesterday he has a massive mortgage on it so I'm not sure how much he'll take from it as profit

It would be interesting to know how he managed to obtain a £13m+ mortgage with an income of some £270K per year.

Even more interesting to know why he might need it when he's the third richest royal with personal wealth estimated as between £30 or so million and £57m depending which reports you read.

Brunel was the Epstein associate arrested on various charges relating to minors. He was intercepted at a French airport clutching a one way ticket to Senegal.

Wonder if his alleged suicide will have any bearing on any plans GM might have in relation to going forward.

Ive only been away for a week and so much has happened, this is an utterly fascinating tale.

I’ve been looking at the bits I’d highlighted in Norman Baker’s book (“And What Do You Do?”):

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…between November 2001 and May 2008, he officially visited the United Arab Emirates on nine occasions, Qatar five times and Kuwait, Bahrain and Egypt four times each, as well as undertaking visits to Oman, Dubai, Jordan and Saudi Arabia.

Andrew’s schedule frequently allows for ‘private’ meetings, and indeed private visits to the same countries he was on other occasions visiting officially.

In 2011, for instance, the Prince’s office offered no explanation as to why he did not arrive officially in Qatar until 27 November, when he had left Britain four days earlier. Had his private jet (courtesy of the taxpayer) developed a fault en route? The explanation was to be found in the Daily Mail, which reported that Andrew had stopped off in Azerbaijan, widely recognised as one of the world’s most corrupt countries. It turns out he had also been to that country eight times in the previous six years, with two of those visits described in the WikiLeaks cables as ‘very private’.

On at least one occasion, in 2009, he flew there and back using a private jet, leaving the taxpayer to pick up the £60,000 bill.

[…]

Pitch@Palace began in 2014 with two events. By 2018, he had clocked up forty-five events that year outside Britain.

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I suppose it’s not too difficult to work out how Andrew accumulated so much money; but where did it all go, such that he had to tap Epstein for “loans”?

@hoteltango

I’ve been looking at the bits I’d highlighted in Norman Baker’s book (“And What Do You Do?”):

• - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

…between November 2001 and May 2008, he officially visited the United Arab Emirates on nine occasions, Qatar five times and Kuwait, Bahrain and Egypt four times each, as well as undertaking visits to Oman, Dubai, Jordan and Saudi Arabia.

Andrew’s schedule frequently allows for ‘private’ meetings, and indeed private visits to the same countries he was on other occasions visiting officially.

In 2011, for instance, the Prince’s office offered no explanation as to why he did not arrive officially in Qatar until 27 November, when he had left Britain four days earlier. Had his private jet (courtesy of the taxpayer) developed a fault en route? The explanation was to be found in the Daily Mail, which reported that Andrew had stopped off in Azerbaijan, widely recognised as one of the world’s most corrupt countries. It turns out he had also been to that country eight times in the previous six years, with two of those visits described in the WikiLeaks cables as ‘very private’.

On at least one occasion, in 2009, he flew there and back using a private jet, leaving the taxpayer to pick up the £60,000 bill.

[…]

Pitch@Palace began in 2014 with two events. By 2018, he had clocked up forty-five events that year outside Britain.

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I suppose it’s not too difficult to work out how Andrew accumulated so much money; but where did it all go, such that he had to tap Epstein for “loans”?

Disgusting
And why he wasn't stopped sooner I do not know

Have we filled this thread? Do we need another?