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If you were as fearful for your family's safety as Harry is....

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PostingForTheFirstTime · 16/01/2022 11:49

...why would you want to have them participate in a really high-profile public bash?

Particularly one to celebrate an institution you have walked away from.

Genuinely puzzled.

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ancientgran · 16/01/2022 18:13

And regarding the racism discussion, let's not forget that currently the only royal of his generation to be proven (and forced to apologise) for racist abuse is Harry himself. Forced into an apology for calling one person "a little Paki" and saying that another looked "like a raghead". Then has the gall to libel his own family as racist!

The zeal of the convert. It's a thing.

queenofarles · 16/01/2022 18:18

Do people not realise its a complex issue about access to the intelligence services? this,
The money is not the issue , it’s the demand for intel to be shared with private protection personnels.
Intel that can be sold or shared with anyone.
What he is asking is just for is just absurd , So is his demand based on him being a member of the RF. He no longer is a working member of the RF.

ChiefInspectorParker · 16/01/2022 18:29

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cherryonthecakes · 16/01/2022 18:32

@ChiefInspectorParker
I think that this story has broken now because the RF want a pause in the Andrew discussion. He filed the papers in September- if this story broke then then I'd say the revelations were for journalistic reasons but the timing is suspect imo

WatchMyChops · 16/01/2022 18:33

@HoppingPavlova

I don’t get it. I would think if intelligence agencies had knowledge that he/his family was actively being targeted they would swing into action at the time, advise him and offer necessary protection? I may be extremely naive but I thought they would do this for any Joe Bloggs. I can’t see UK intelligence getting info they believe is valid and not acting on it while he/his family is in the UK as that seems odd. The point of getting intel is then acting on it when necessary, no? So not sure what the problem is with private security and UK intelligence also stepping in if they believe there is an active imminent threat?
Private security are not allowed to be armed and may not be privy to high level security intel from the intelligence agencies. The level of security that Harry is apparently seeking, that he wishes to pay for, is from what I’ve read, unprecedented as it’s not something any private citizen can just rock up and just pay for. Harry clearly believes that there is a credible threat apparently there was some sort of incident fairly recently and he feels that he must protect Meghan and his children. But if he receives tax payer funded protection, some of the public will be up in arms against this as he’s supposed to have stepped back from official duties and, for all intents and purposes, is now a private citizen. But at the same time, he is requiring a high level of armed protection that are usually reserved for royalty and diplomatic protection of high profile royals, state figures, diplomats, and foreign diplomats etc. and he wants to pay for it which I believe would set a legal precedent.

I’d have also thought that if there was a credible threat detected by intelligence services, it would have been acted up on, but it wouldn’t be the first time that something that could have been prevented if there were experienced and armed security personnel present. Who knows if Diana would have entered that car, whilst being chased by paparazzi, if she was told not to do so by an armed royal protection officer? The question is, why even take that risk?

Harry can’t win either way. If he stays away from all family events, he’s maligned in the press alongside Meghan for casting aside all familial relationships, and if he wants to be participate in such events, and he believes he needs a high level of protection, then that should be provided whenever he is in UK. He can’t do right or wrong, either way he’d still get criticized.

AllThePogs · 16/01/2022 18:40

OP you posed a hypothetical question. If my families security was at risk, I would not want to accept that I can never go to another family event again. No weddings? No funerals? No birthday celebrations?
I would be trying to find a way to attend the most important ones that are still safe.
And like most families, my family have members that have fallen out. They still all go to the big family celebrations and are polite and/or avoid each other.

ChiefInspectorParker · 16/01/2022 18:45

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sashagabadon · 16/01/2022 18:57

I think the mail like to bash both Andrew AND Harry, ideally both at the same time Grin
You can tell covid is receding as a means to drive traffic to news websites which I suppose is good news for the rest of us.

I think the perfect solution is Harry stays away citing security costs / concerns and the RF pretend they are sad about this but hope to meet up soon.
Win win for everyone including the British public / taxpayer and the metropolitan police.

WatchMyChops · 16/01/2022 18:58

@ChiefInspectorParker I think the Mail are very savvy. They know that people have polarizing views in regards to Harry and Meghan and it helps gets them all those clicks. Once there are more speculative stories about Andrew coming out when he has to leave for the States, there might be more clickbait stories, but clearly for now they have enough people frothing at the mere thought of Harry and Meghan doing something or saying something. They probably aren’t helping things with their supposed Netflix deal etc. There always seems to be some kind of tabloid fodder and at the moment Harry and Meghan have the brunt of it. Eventually, I’m sure there will be someone or something else.

rubicscubicle · 16/01/2022 19:01

So someone reads a book on Princess Diana, blogs about Kate Middleton, but doesn't know about Prince Harry? That stretches credibility. Previous friends of hers have described it as a lie.
She did not say she does not know his existence. Her exact words were "I didn't know much about him." A difference. She was saying this to a friend of Harry's, who personally knew him. I have never seen the blog about about Kate, I assume it would have been a standard one about fashion or something if it was in the Tig. Do you have links of her blogging a lot about KM?

She claimed to be unable to travel. Factually incorrect. She took numerous flights.
She was talking about being denied to meet a friend for lunch. She was told she was everywhere, when she had not left the house in ages. She said, they take away your keys, passport etc. when you join. I imagine, for a jetsetter like her as she demonstrated on her blog, she is used to travelling all over the place as she pleases. In the three yrs, the only personal travels we know of are the tennis with Serena (one in the UK, and one the US), the baby shower, the holiday at Elton John house. I cannot think of much more, can you. Considering you know about the Tig, you would know she travelled way more than this and did a lot of engagements before the RF. Even if she was not a traveller, there is very few times of her doing her own thing for 3yrs. She is not a 100yr old homebody ffs.

They claimed not to have cooperated on Finding Freedom and were proven to have done so in court. Maintained their distance, but very clearly provided material.
The judges must have been miffed to find the DM asked for a hearing based on this, hence this issue did not even register in their decision. If FF authors had asked JK to answer questions about KM making MM cry, and W&K said, no the brief to everyone is that there was no crying, this would be considered as W&K as co-operating because JK is representing them. It would also be the case if they said the same to the DM. They are cooperating. It's neither here or there, that is why the judges dismissed it.

Thomas Markle not only bankrolled her college tuition, but her expensive trips to Europe. Her blog had spoken of him regularly taking her out to expensive restaurants while she was a student, as well as funding time abroad. Clearly, the image she wanted to prevent of deprivation and "never having had a family" was false.
I am still waiting for your receipts that TM paid the tuition fees. Her family is her, Doria and a father who is divorced. She does not have lots of cousins and grandmother all as a family unit like Harry, so yes, her family is totally different from his.

Some of the photos of her cycling with his mother and father don't appear to be PR. Impossible to prove, but certainly makes his claims dubious.
The photos of the bikes were clearly staged. W&H were pointing at the cameras and looking at them at some point. Even worse the ones with Diana, they stopped the bikes to make a proper pose.

Some of this is trivial but it's evidence of two people who twist the truth to craft a narrative
If you are going to be trivial, be accurate. The only people creating a narrative are the papers and those against the Sussexes.

And regarding the racism discussion, let's not forget that currently the only royal of his generation to be proven (and forced to apologise) for racist abuse is Harry himself. Forced into an apology for calling one person "a little Paki" and saying that another looked "like a raghead". Then has the gall to libel his own family as racist!
He is not the only one actually. It has been proven a family trait from PP. He was wearing a costume, same as William was wearing an African costume and saying "don't worry, we won't be eating crocodiles or anything ".

AllThePogs · 16/01/2022 19:01

The Sussex statements are aimed at the US. They don't care about Britain.

CheeseCakeSunflowers · 16/01/2022 19:20

The Queen has 8 grandchildren. William is a special case being a future King and full-time working royal but I think in terms of security the other 7 should have similar protection when in the UK as the threat to them is presumably similar. I wonder if Harry is wanting the same as the other 6 or more I don't know.

dontsaythj · 16/01/2022 19:31

@rubicscubicle

Did you notice I said, "of his generation"? He can't claim lack of understanding of modern mores. William was insensitive - Harry literally called someone "A little paki" and another a "raghead".

www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/a19662703/meghan-markle-admired-princess-diana-royal-family/

www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/a22727998/meghan-markle-blog-princess-kate/

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/meghan-markle-biography-court-mail-b1955569.html

She was found to have mislead a court. That's a fact.

She was either able to travel or she wasn't. She claimed she couldn't, factually she did travel on numerous occasions. She took around 15 flights during the time she claimed to be unable to travel.

So yes, in light of the fact that she's been found to have mislead a court; given misleading statements which subsequently required rebuttal by the Archbishop; has a history of making verifiable false claims etc, I don't think her public statements should be believed unless backed up by proof.

Furthermore, you cite her saying she knew "little" on Harry - is it possible to know much more about a person prior to meeting if you've - visited their residences, read a book on their mother, blogged about their family? The reality, as opposed to knowing "little" is that she was very well informed.

"Because I’m from the States, we don’t grow up with the same understanding of the royal family. And so, while I now understand very clearly that there’s a global interest there, I didn’t know very much about him"

Apparently her visits to Buckingham Palace, viewing Diana's funeral, and blogging about Kate, hadn't made her realise that there was global interest in the family? All just another misunderstanding, like her misleading a court, I guess!

Tezza1 · 16/01/2022 19:32

@rubicscubicle Off the top of my head, Soho House, Amsterdam.

Tezza1 · 16/01/2022 19:36

@rubicscubicle Also, can you clarify exact timing of the three years, please.

dontsaythj · 16/01/2022 19:36

@rubicscubicle

Her people have dismissed the bullying allegations against her by former staff as something of a misunderstanding also. These 'misunderstandings' do seem to happen with unfortunate frequency where she is concerned.

rubicscubicle · 16/01/2022 19:42

Can you link those two?

Even if true, that makes, what? 7 personal visits in 3yrs?

As for the article about her blogging, 'once wrote about', 'that post' (meaning one post), ' brief mention' about someone else. Does not scream she should know that much about Harry.

Taking a picture in front of BP, means nothing other than another tourist attraction. People take pics of castles all the time without knowing anything about the inhabitants or history of the place. As I said, my DC pass it every day, but don't know much about Harry or William or anyone. They just know the queen and Diana, and get confused about everyone else (though ofcourse, they know about HarryVII , Victoria, Elizabeth I and others in history because they purposely leant about them).

rubicscubicle · 16/01/2022 19:43

[quote dontsaythj]@rubicscubicle

Her people have dismissed the bullying allegations against her by former staff as something of a misunderstanding also. These 'misunderstandings' do seem to happen with unfortunate frequency where she is concerned.[/quote]
And she has not been found guilty of that as we yet know.

elbea · 16/01/2022 19:44

It’s all well and good saying he’ll pay for it, but the officers have to come from somewhere. Presumably they would be diverted from their ordinary duties.

If he is able to pay for police officers at his whim, why is stopping others with a bit of money demanding the same?

ArcaneLana · 16/01/2022 19:49

@rubicscubicle

Can you link those two?

Even if true, that makes, what? 7 personal visits in 3yrs?

As for the article about her blogging, 'once wrote about', 'that post' (meaning one post), ' brief mention' about someone else. Does not scream she should know that much about Harry.

Taking a picture in front of BP, means nothing other than another tourist attraction. People take pics of castles all the time without knowing anything about the inhabitants or history of the place. As I said, my DC pass it every day, but don't know much about Harry or William or anyone. They just know the queen and Diana, and get confused about everyone else (though ofcourse, they know about HarryVII , Victoria, Elizabeth I and others in history because they purposely leant about them).

@rubicscubicle these threads are always so funny. This one started off with Harry but then some posters can’t help with the Meghan bashing. This woman shouldn’t ever set foot in the UK.
dontsaythj · 16/01/2022 19:53

@rubicscubicle

She's documented as having taken (at least) 13 trips during the time she said she couldn't travel.

She was found to have mislead a court.

She suggest she didn't know there was global interest in the RF while visiting their palaces, blogging about them, and watching their weddings on TV.

Etc.

I stated that she's dishonest and her public statements shouldn't be taken at face value. I think I've shown enough to back that up for all but their most die hard fans.

dontsaythj · 16/01/2022 20:09

@ArcaneLana

Harry has already been discussed as a hypocrite with a history of racially abusing people. Meghan's dishonesty was brought up as evidence that the Sussexes PR statements shouldn't be trusted.

You make it sound like we're begging for either to come back. He was Britain's dumbest prince, who attended the most expensive school in the country and ended up with a B and a D. She was a virtual unknown here before she married him; we're hardly begging for them to come back so they can whine some more about their 'traumas' and then beg for voiceover work on red carpets.

ajandjjmum · 16/01/2022 20:19

and then beg for voiceover work on red carpets.

While they're attending premieres having sacked off a previous engagement with the military.

Tezza1 · 16/01/2022 20:21

@rubicscubicle
From the time of the wedding to their departure: what was it? 20/21 months, she took the following trips (in addition to the Soho house, Amsterdam opening)
Honeymoon in a secret location
Trip to Canada to visit Jessica Mulroney
George Clooney sent a private jet to take them to Lake Como
Trip to Ibiza for her 30th birthday
Italy for Misha Nonoo’s wedding

Sorry if I've missed any out.

Those, in addition to the three official tours, and the trips which you mention, must have helped somewhat to satisfy her lust for jetsetting.