If you were as fearful for your family's safety as Harry is....

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...why would you want to have them participate in a really high-profile public bash?

Particularly one to celebrate an institution you have walked away from.

Genuinely puzzled.

He’s an arse, so is his wife. I wouldn’t care less if he never comes back. Vile couple who just won’t seem to go away

@Roussette

Has he really had death threats? Really?

Yes. Neo Nazis and someone charged for it.

your evidence is a PR release on behalf of the Sussexes

Why would I be sceptical about a statement from Harry. He said he wants to pay for it. Why would I think, oh no he doesn't? It was issued by his legal representative, is he just making it up?!

@Roussette

You're sceptical of the media. You're sceptical of the RF. Apply the same scepticism to Harry.

He and his wife have been proven to tell lies and half truths consistently. A brief list of examples:

• Claimed to have been married privately in secret three days before their wedding. Justin Welby subsequently clarified that this was a rehearsal, not a legal ceremony.

• Meghan claimed not to know who Harry was nor researched the RF. Subsequently turned out that she had visited Buckingham Palace, had been a fan of Diana, and had blogged about Kate Middleton.

• Meghan claimed to have had her passport taken away and been left unable travel. During the period of time she claimed this happened, she'd taken 14 flights. She flew on Elton John's private jet and was photographed in New York, for example.

• Claimed that Meghan had been denied mental health help. Despite the fact that Harry himself could have arranged this, as he's been in therapy for years and is the ambassador for a mental health charity.

• Claimed to have paid her college tuition by herself. Subsequently her father showed receipts showing that he'd paid for it.

• Lies as trivial as Harry claiming never to have been taught to ride a bike as a boy, and then photographs come out showing him doing so.

• Claimed to have had no role in the "Finding Freedom" book; this was exposed as a lie.

They're both consistent liars who twist the facts to suit their agenda, so yes you should question their PR statements.

And I would say with certainty, literally NO ONE feels like you do

I would say you are "literally" talking rubbish if you think the PP is the only person to feel like that. They have plenty of supporters and then there are those like me who would rather Harry had security than bloody Andrew, especially if he's willing to pay.

As for he's had no death threats, have you been living in a cave? At least two people have been sent to jail over it.

I don't know why they are more at risk here than in the US. Murder is much higher there isn't it?

dontsay

Oh dear, we're back to the OW interview are we?

There are different perceptions of your proof.

I don't know why they are more at risk here than in the US. Murder is much higher there isn't it

And private security are allowed to carry firearms over there. Not here though.

If they are stay at Buckingham Palace or Windsor won't they just be protected like everyone else there? They aren't going to be in the local Travelodge are they. If you've got armed police there they aren't going to swarm round William and watch Harry get shot are they. It seems weird to me.

@Roussette

dontsay

Oh dear, we're back to the OW interview are we?

There are different perceptions of your proof.

@Roussette

So when someone claims not to have a passport and be prevented from travelling, and photos emerge of them undertaking foreign travel, that's not proof of dishonesty?

When someone claims that Justin Welby married them in secret, and he says this isn't true, that doesn't suggest dishonesty?

When someone claims to know nothing of a family or a person, and it turns out that they'd visited his residencies, blogged about his sister in law, and had a book about his mum, that doesn't prove dishonesty?

Get real.

The OW interview is entirely relevant when assessing their characters and the reliability of their public statements, because it provides proof of their dishonesty.

They made claim after claim which can be verified to be false.

I think you need to get real actually.

Those points have been discussed endlessly on threads about them. You have one view, the same as some others. And there are other posters who feel differently.

I feel horribly sorry for HM who is already having to deal with one difficult family member.

She's 95, and recently widowed. I don't agree for one second with the level of protection and funding that PA has, I think few do, but I can perfectly understand why his mother hasn't had the mental energy to deal with it. It's not unthinkable that Charles and William read the room and took action themselves over it.

Now they need to do the same with Harry. If his US security protects his family to an adequate level today, why can't they come to the UK? Why does he need the Met Police to do it when he's no longer an active serving member?

I think he needs counselling!! I don't for one second think that they'd be under and particular threat since they'll be staying somewhere secure anyway. He seems to have got it into his head that everyone is a threat which just isn't true. If he'd floated off to live privately as he supposedly wanted he needn't have worried, instead the two of them have courted as much publicity as they possibly can to their detriment and to the detriment of those around them.

@Roussette

I think you need to get real actually.

Those points have been discussed endlessly on threads about them. You have one view, the same as some others. And there are other posters who feel differently.

Photographs of someone being in New York and taking 14 flights whilst claiming they're prevented from travelling aren't about "how I feel".

You do know what facts are, right?

Did Justin Welby lie when he said that he did no such thing as marry them in secret?

When Harry cited never riding a bike as a child as evidence of his poor upbringing and 'intergenerational trauma', and the photos show him laughing and doing so, is that dependent on "how you feel"?

When Meghan says she didn't know about or research the RF, and then records of her defunct blog show that she wrote about them, is that evidence or not that she lied?

Sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "But my feelings" doesn't change anything. We're discussing verifiable facts in most cases.

Eg

It's a verifiable fact that she travelled abroad whilst claiming not to be able to.

Does the compute?

He and his wife have been proven to tell lies and half truths consistently. A brief list of examples:
You mean the media twisted what they said, so they make it out they were lying. if anything all they said, has proved to be true.

Claimed to have been married privately in secret three days before their wedding. Justin Welby subsequently clarified that this was a rehearsal, not a legal ceremony.
No he did not. He said what took place before was private, but that the official legal wedding was what we saw. Meghan herself never said the Saturday wedding was illegal. He said nothing about what took place, he never mentioned rehearsals either.

Meghan claimed not to know who Harry was nor researched the RF. Subsequently turned out that she had visited Buckingham Palace, had been a fan of Diana, and had blogged about Kate Middleton.
You have quoted everyone, but Harry. A twelve year old may not know everyone in the rf, even if they visit BK. We live just nearby there, but even my kids can't tell you who is who. She also did not know Harry, any more than you or I. She would have seen some 2D images of him, but now she was asking a friend who actually know Harry personally.

Meghan claimed to have had her passport taken away and been left unable travel. During the period of time she claimed this happened, she'd taken 14 flights. She flew on Elton John's private jet and was photographed in New York, for example
You have no idea who was holding her passports, and when she got them back or not.

Claimed that Meghan had been denied mental health help. Despite the fact that Harry himself could have arranged this, as he's been in therapy for years and is the ambassador for a mental health charity.
She also said, you need to make arrangements, an urber does not just show up in the palace. She was telling us what took place when she did follow protocols of asking. We can now assume that when they left she did infect get help in the end. This was about what took place when she asked.

Claimed to have paid her college tuition by herself. Subsequently her father showed receipts showing that he'd paid for it.
No, he did not, link those receipts. He paid for her high school. She had financial help when at uni, after he blew his money on a dodgy diamond business. He was broke by that point.

Lies as trivial as Harry claiming never to have been taught to ride a bike as a boy, and then photographs come out showing him doing so.
He was clearly talking about leisure time, rather than a PR photo shoot.

Claimed to have had no role in the "Finding Freedom" book; this was exposed as a lie
She did not talk to the FF writers, Jason Knauf did. She gave him a brief after he convinced her that they would tell the truth, as she would with any trusted journalist who would not lie. She did not have any meetings with the authors.

I am not going to discount all your examples. Search back and you will see endless discussion about it.

To start talking now about wedding services and riding bikes is irrelevant to this thread.

Also... please don't resort to insults with the .. does this compute and do you know what facts are, it just shows you up.

@ancientgran

If they are stay at Buckingham Palace or Windsor won't they just be protected like everyone else there? They aren't going to be in the local Travelodge are they. If you've got armed police there they aren't going to swarm round William and watch Harry get shot are they. It seems weird to me.

So he cannot go visit his schoolmates, former colleagues etc.? What if he wants to see a friends newborn for example? Or an elderly nanny or whomever. Why must he be prisoned within palace walls?

I appreciate your post rubics

Who cares? Wish they would just go away. Days of RF are numbered.

It's relevant in so far as we cannot rely on the Sussexes own statements on risk.

Especially as they omit that intelligence-led threat assessments are routinely shared with the subjects of that thread or their representatives (first duty to preserve life and all that). And there would be no difficulty sharing with the kind of elite CP that the Sussexes can source.

They've gone away!

Harry only issued a statement because the DFail cannot give up its clickbait lying articles about them.

The latest is that Harry wants security when visiting here but will pay for it. No suing or taxpayers money.

Why people believe the rubbish printed in the popular press, I know not.

Meghan and Harry have done nothing wrong they are trying to carve out a life for themselves in the USA and the covid crisis is nearly over which will make things easier for them.

We have lost a couple of stars unfortunately.

I don't blame him. People here have an irrationally deep hatred of him and his family🤷‍♀️

@rubicscubicle

He and his wife have been proven to tell lies and half truths consistently. A brief list of examples: You mean the media twisted what they said, so they make it out they were lying. if anything all they said, has proved to be true.

Claimed to have been married privately in secret three days before their wedding. Justin Welby subsequently clarified that this was a rehearsal, not a legal ceremony.
No he did not. He said what took place before was private, but that the official legal wedding was what we saw. Meghan herself never said the Saturday wedding was illegal. He said nothing about what took place, he never mentioned rehearsals either.

Meghan claimed not to know who Harry was nor researched the RF. Subsequently turned out that she had visited Buckingham Palace, had been a fan of Diana, and had blogged about Kate Middleton.
You have quoted everyone, but Harry. A twelve year old may not know everyone in the rf, even if they visit BK. We live just nearby there, but even my kids can't tell you who is who. She also did not know Harry, any more than you or I. She would have seen some 2D images of him, but now she was asking a friend who actually know Harry personally.

Meghan claimed to have had her passport taken away and been left unable travel. During the period of time she claimed this happened, she'd taken 14 flights. She flew on Elton John's private jet and was photographed in New York, for example
You have no idea who was holding her passports, and when she got them back or not.

Claimed that Meghan had been denied mental health help. Despite the fact that Harry himself could have arranged this, as he's been in therapy for years and is the ambassador for a mental health charity.
She also said, you need to make arrangements, an urber does not just show up in the palace. She was telling us what took place when she did follow protocols of asking. We can now assume that when they left she did infect get help in the end. This was about what took place when she asked.

Claimed to have paid her college tuition by herself. Subsequently her father showed receipts showing that he'd paid for it.
No, he did not, link those receipts. He paid for her high school. She had financial help when at uni, after he blew his money on a dodgy diamond business. He was broke by that point.

Lies as trivial as Harry claiming never to have been taught to ride a bike as a boy, and then photographs come out showing him doing so.
He was clearly talking about leisure time, rather than a PR photo shoot.

Claimed to have had no role in the "Finding Freedom" book; this was exposed as a lie
She did not talk to the FF writers, Jason Knauf did. She gave him a brief after he convinced her that they would tell the truth, as she would with any trusted journalist who would not lie. She did not have any meetings with the authors.

• So someone reads a book on Princess Diana, blogs about Kate Middleton, but doesn't know about Prince Harry? That stretches credibility. Previous friends of hers have described it as a lie.

• She claimed to be unable to travel. Factually incorrect. She took numerous flights.

• They claimed not to have cooperated on Finding Freedom and were proven to have done so in court. Maintained their distance, but very clearly provided material.

• Thomas Markle not only bankrolled her college tuition, but her expensive trips to Europe. Her blog had spoken of him regularly taking her out to expensive restaurants while she was a student, as well as funding time abroad. Clearly, the image she wanted to prevent of deprivation and "never having had a family" was false.

• Some of the photos of her cycling with his mother and father don't appear to be PR. Impossible to prove, but certainly makes his claims dubious.

Some of this is trivial but it's evidence of two people who twist the truth to craft a narrative.

And regarding the racism discussion, let's not forget that currently the only royal of his generation to be proven (and forced to apologise) for racist abuse is Harry himself. Forced into an apology for calling one person "a little Paki" and saying that another looked "like a raghead". Then has the gall to libel his own family as racist!

@Roussette Does this compute?

@LublinToDublin

Do people not realise its a complex issue about access to the intelligence services? It's not Harry asking the UK tax payer to pay for anything

This is the answer, isn’t it?

Your hate is getting a little irrational now. I don't want to inflame or ignite it any more than it is.