If you were as fearful for your family's safety as Harry is....

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...why would you want to have them participate in a really high-profile public bash?

Particularly one to celebrate an institution you have walked away from.

Genuinely puzzled.

Well he’s probably pretty fucking angry that his Nan and the institution more generally has been bankrolling his (alleged) nonce of an uncle but can’t spend anything to keep him and his family safe at a massive party everyone else in the family will be at but they also won’t allow him to pay for it himself. Thus essentially uninviting him.

I agree with @Roussette on this

Like I said before when did we have the vote on this topic or on the RF in general.

The mail are not protecting Andrew the RF are. This story plus details of Sandringham must have come from the RF. Royal reporters have always said they check details with courtiers so I can only assume that the RF approved this story being pushed on this particular weekend.

I am sure courtiers woke on Saturday morning with a burning desire to randomly to discuss a judicial review from September because the spirit moved them..

He only needs security because the UK constitution means he was born with a target on his head. Not his fault. Not his choice.

I appreciate that he’s not asking for funding, but I think his family’s security should be covered as long as they are at risk. He’s no longer a working royal, but PMs still get security when they stop being PM. I don’t see that this is different.

People’s rage at this couple is just odd.

however last time they were in UK they seemed to be filming for some documentary and were also doing lots of activities seemingly in order to promote their personal ‘brand’

When, where and what was that?

@LublinToDublin

Do people not realise its a complex issue about access to the intelligence services? It's not Harry asking the UK tax payer to pay for anything

Seems you fail to understand that, actually.

• We don't have a two-tier policing system in the UK where those with money can buy higher levels of service, nor rent the police. Money also doesn't buy you access to security service databases and resources.

There's plenty of people at risk in the UK. People who live in high crime areas; young men who lives in areas with endemic knife crime; young girls who are victims of grooming gangs. These ordinary people can't buy extra police resources for themselves or their families. The rich shouldn't be able to co-opt scarce resources and have superior services either.

The Police are responsible for threat assessment for him, and everyone else. They'll decide what's necessary.

There's plenty of celebrities and VIPs who come to the UK and use private security. He can do the same.

Approved organisations and events can pay for extra policing (subject to approval). However, for example Manchester United paying for the necessary extra policing for an event attended by tens of thousands of members of the public, is entirely different to rich people purchasing police time for themselves.

It sounds as though Harry's car was chased/followed by paparazzi photographers on his last visit to the UK which unsettled him. The fact he served in the armed forces is irrelevant to his having police protection but, as the son of our future King, his security should be addressed. Perhaps someone from 'our people' could be seconded to 'their people' to share any relevant intel sources without actually appointing protection? If it becomes necessary, then I'd expect our police force to protect his family from a serious threat. Surely there's a compromise somewhere.

they don't want to pay for it

Why do you say this when they SPECIFICALLY said they do? Here's the statement.

It sounds as though Harry's car was chased/followed by paparazzi photographers on his last visit to the UK which unsettled him

There won't be intel on antics of the paparazzi - who would be collecting it and at while behest?

Has he really had death threats? Really? No evidence of one, ever, and given the couple's propensity for moaning about a bunch of flowers gone wrong I can't think they'd have missed spilling the beans.

Harry's always been paranoid about security - and like his mother, he's now got to rely on freebies from rich people. Ended well with her after she refused HMG security. Maybe he's changed his mind.

Perhaps someone from 'our people' could be seconded to 'their people' I don’t think that’s how it works ,government intelligence can only be shared with other foreign governments . in the US it’s the FBI , which are clearly not protecting him.

It’s like he has the right and he has no right to protection at the same time .
But what about other foreign ex royals , politicians living in London with round the clock protection ,? I’m pretty sure the UK government is not paying them, and they are mostly under great threat.

@Roussette

they don't want to pay for it

Why do you say this when they SPECIFICALLY said they do? Here's the statement.

You're very sceptical of the RF (even accusing the media of being complicit in their agenda).

Why don't you apply the same level of critical thinking to the Sussex family.

Your evidence is a PR release on behalf of the Sussexes, which clearly will be biased towards presenting them in a positive light.

"They claim they do."

There won't be intel on antics of the paparazzi - who would be collecting it and at while behest?
I didn't say there was, I said this is what unsettled him.
The Sussexes can afford the elite CP teams (ex special forces and ex VIP protection squads)
It sounds as though he wants his protection team to be in the know and these private individuals, though very experienced, presumably won't have access to any intel.

Has he really had death threats? Really?

Yes. Neo Nazis and someone charged for it.

your evidence is a PR release on behalf of the Sussexes

Why would I be sceptical about a statement from Harry. He said he wants to pay for it. Why would I think, oh no he doesn't? It was issued by his legal representative, is he just making it up?!

@Billandben444

There won't be intel on antics of the paparazzi - who would be collecting it and at while behest? I didn't say there was, I said this is what unsettled him. The Sussexes can afford the elite CP teams (ex special forces and ex VIP protection squads) It sounds as though he wants his protection team to be in the know and these private individuals, though very experienced, presumably won't have access to any intel.

a) so his proposed remedy will not address the issue cited as evidence of need

b) threat assessments can be shared

They are no longer welcome in the UK

Only by uber Royalists or tabloid readers who believe the bilge written about them.

I suspect most people don't care either way, especially since we don't pay for them. And they do seem to have a good amount of support.

I’m not sure that he can come privately and quietly, he doesn’t have invisibility cloak. Of course, some parts of his visit could be quieter then others but that’s about it. And he wants to come with his family which makes things more complicated. How they will visit relatives, by crawling in a dark to their houses?
I think he has a fair point.

@Supersimkin2

Has he really had death threats? Really? No evidence of one, ever, and given the couple's propensity for moaning about a bunch of flowers gone wrong I can't think they'd have missed spilling the beans.

Harry's always been paranoid about security - and like his mother, he's now got to rely on freebies from rich people. Ended well with her after she refused HMG security. Maybe he's changed his mind.

Yes really.
People where arrested for it.

@Blinkingbatshit

If they were coming for a private, quiet holiday then I can understand and yes, protection should be given - however last time they were in UK they seemed to be filming for some documentary and were also doing lots of activities seemingly in order to promote their personal ‘brand’…I don’t see why our already stretched police & intelligence services etc should prioritise them in this scenario whilst they’re obviously courting publicity.

People have to make shit up just to justify their hate for Harry and Meghan.

When did they film a documentary while in the UK ?
Last time they were here together was during the CW event.